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Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [bcm] [Fwd: [bcm-comment] Public Comment]]
Shawn : We will add ' discuss forming committee on CMM/CMMI and its integration into BCM' to the agenda for our next meeting 18th October scheduled for 1.00-2.00 pm ET. Please plan on joining us. regards carl <quote who="David RR Webber"> > Shawn, > > I think I can answer this one. The idea behind BCM is to exploit the > layered approach, so > that you postpone decisions to as late a point in the process as > possible. So making a > decision about using web services, or some IT specific approval process > would not > feature in the layer deciding the business goals and the semantic detail > of the business > processes, and so on. > > The traditional IT approach is to have the tail wag the dog - so the > engineers make > decisions to use say - UML or SCRUM - and then force that on to the > business facing > part of the process. We are seeking to avoid such conflicts. > > The aim is to provide an environment that the business layer decisioning > can find comfortable > and familiar, and to defer pure-play IT Q&A stuff to the implementation > layer detailing. > > By way of example - an IT engineer may ask "are we going to use digital > certificates with our partners?". > Whereas at the business level this would be off the table - instead the > question would be - what level > of business validation and security do we need for participants? > > Similarly in an XML world - engineers may ask - "do we have XML schemas > yet?" - whereas the > BCM views that as the very last step to occur - when all the other > business determinations have > occurred relating to what business reporting and use of information and > process flows is understood, > domain vocabularies identified, and how those deliver on the overall > business goals. > > I guess that's why we call it a business-centric methodology! > > Thanks, DW > ========================================================== > Maynard, Shawn wrote: > >>All, >> >>Thanks for your prompt reply. >> >>Mike said.... >> >>"In the concept layer of the BCM, you address what standards you wish to >>follow (internally) as part of you architecture type. If they choose CMM >>process, they then apply the CMM method, as one facet of the policies, >>performance standards, portfolio, etc. they intend to follow in going >>through the 4 levels." >> >>From this comment I have the following main clarification question. Is >> the >>idea behind BCM that in the course of developing your business process >> (i.e. >>the services or products you need to do business) you also define the >>underlying development infrastructure you need to develop those >>products/services?? >> >>For example if I want to develop a new web services product suite will >> BCM >>help me create a process that uses Agile best practices (like XP or >> SCRUM) >>to create those services or products? Furthermore, will BCM allow you to >>define your business processes in such as way that CMMI standards (like >>approvals or QA checkpoints) are integral to the steps that developers >> take >>in creating and maintaining those services or products. Is there an >> example >>of how one best practice for sofware development (lets say getting >>requirements approved before you start design or coding)would fit into a >> BCM >>designed business process? >> >>If Mike, Neil or others are forming (or have formed) a forum or committee >> on >>CMM/CMMI and its integration into BCM I would like to be part of that >>effort. >> >>Thanks for any input you can provide. >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info] >>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 1:31 PM >>To: Shawn Maynard; BCM Comment; BCM OASIS >>Subject: [Fwd: Re: [bcm] [Fwd: [bcm-comment] Public Comment]] >> >> >>Shawn, >> >>OK - enclosed and attached are notes from the list responses. >> >>Let us know if there is more input and if this is enough to get started >> with >>BCM from your perspective. >> >>You may also find useful the full PPT on using BCM that is available >>from: >> >> http://www.businesscentricmethodology.com >> >>As Mike notes - if there is more - we have bi-weekly calls and that might >> be >>a useful next step to call-in on. >> >>Thanks, DW >>============================================== >> >>Hi David, >> >>This is my take on the question posted. >> >>In the concept layer of the BCM, you address what standards you wish to >>follow (internally) as part of you architecture type. If they choose CMM >>process, they then apply the CMM method, as one facet of the policies, >>performance standards, portfolio, etc. they intend to follow in going >>through the 4 levels. >> >>Is that good enough for you or do you need additional stuff. The >> PowerPoint >>slide addresses what type of topics are addressed for each of the cmm >> levels >>and what you consider from a BCM level. >> >>If yes to additional stuff, we have to address it over a telephone call. >> >>mike >> >> >>============================================== >> >> Yes, Mike and I started on a CMM for BCM. Apologies that we didn't >> push >>it forward as we might have. >> >>A couple of thoughts. >> >>The agile software movement deals with the problem that it is impossible >> to >>anticipate requirements up front, and so emphasizes adaptability in the >>development process. It follows that testing has to be tightly >> integrated >>into design and development, short cycles, small teams, etc. >> >> >>BCM and related service oriented approaches take an additional step. Not >>only can requirements not be anticipated, but systems must be built >>to adapt to variable and unanticipated requirements on the fly. The >>CMM for BCM addresses more than the software development process. It >>addresses that ability of the operational (reusable) service components >> to >>adapt to multiple semantic environments (where business requirements >>and capabilities vary in unpredictable ways). >> >>The capability tracks in the attached CMM matrix address the different >>aspects of adaptability. Mike and I believed this need some additional >>thought before we circulated it more widely. >> >>Neil >> >> >> >>**************************************************************************** >>This email may contain confidential material. >>If you were not an intended recipient, >>Please notify the sender and delete all copies. >>We may monitor email to and from our network. >>**************************************************************************** >> >> > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > the OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/bcm/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > -- Carl Mattocks co-Chair OASIS (ISO/TS 15000) ebXMLRegistry Semantic Content SC co-Chair OASIS Business Centric Methodology TC CEO CHECKMi v/f (usa) 908 322 8715 www.CHECKMi.com Semantically Smart Compendiums (AOL) IM CarlCHECKMi
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