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Subject: RE: (Per Mark Hale), RE: ebXML in W3C? and OASIS Business Transactiongroup



Mark,
Given that you have some history in both groups I would think that
you are a required attendee for a joint call.

=bill

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark A. Hale [mailto:mark.hale@interwoven.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:48 PM
> To: Pal Takacsi-Nagy; BTP
> Subject: FW: (Per Mark Hale), RE: ebXML in W3C? and OASIS Business
> Transactiongroup
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark A. Hale [mailto:mark.hale@interwoven.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:37 PM
> > To: Bob Haugen; 'James Bryce Clark'
> > Cc: karl.best@oasis-open.org; 'Peter Furniss'; 'Eric Newcomer'
> > Subject: RE: (Per Mark Hale), RE: ebXML in W3C? and OASIS Business
> > Transactiongroup
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > I would be happy to arrange a telecon. I will be out next week.
> > If  7/17 9am works into everyone's schedule, I can arrange 
> the lines.
> >
> > 	Thanks,
> >
> > 	Mark
> >
> > (Sorry - I can't post to the complete reply list because I don't
> > have privalages on ebxml-bp.)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bob Haugen [mailto:linkage@interaccess.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:25 PM
> > > To: 'James Bryce Clark'; ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org
> > > Cc: mark.hale@interwoven.com; karl.best@oasis-open.org; 
> 'Peter Furniss';
> > > 'Eric Newcomer'
> > > Subject: RE: (Per Mark Hale), RE: ebXML in W3C? and OASIS Business
> > > Transactiongroup
> > >
> > >
> > > I'd be interested in a dispassionate conversation about how
> > > those who know both BTP and the ebXML-BP + UMM transaction
> > > protocol think the two compare and contrast.  (The comparers
> > > would need to understand the UMM transaction patterns as
> > > well as BPSS, and don't get hung up on choreography details.)
> > >
> > > In other words, set aside anything accusatory, e.g. words
> > > like "conflict" and precedence and MOUs and see how the two
> > > initiatives might relate.  Then we can get all mad at each
> > other later.8-)
> > >
> > > My first impressions were that BTP covers a lot of the 
> same ground,
> > > even to the same idea of transactional behavior from the viewpoint
> > > of the initiator.  As UN/CEFACT ebWG gets into 
> collaboration patterns,
> > > the area of overlap will be larger.
> > >
> > > We've just had Jean-Jacques Dubray do a detailed comparison and
> > > binding between ebXML BPSS and BPML.  Something similar needs
> > > to be done with the other collaboration choreography initiatives.
> > >
> > > -Bob Haugen
> > >
> > > (What was that quote about standards being wonderful because
> > > there were so many of them?)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	James Bryce Clark [SMTP:jamie.clark@mmiec.com]
> > > Sent:	Thursday, July 05, 2001 5:53 PM
> > > To:	ebxml-bp@lists.ebxml.org
> > > Cc:	mark.hale@interwoven.com; karl.best@oasis-open.org
> > > Subject:	(Per Mark Hale), RE: ebXML in W3C?  and OASIS
> > > Business Transactiongroup
> > >
> > > Forwarding this to the BP list from Mark Hale's post to 
> the BTP list.
> > >
> > > At 03:32 PM 7/5/01, Mark A. Hale wrote:
> > > >Karl,
> > > >
> > > >I would just like to further support your stance that this is
> > > not duplicate
> > > >effort with ebXML.
> > > >
> > > >As an organization that endorsed the BTP submission and also
> > > being the ebXML
> > > >POC co-chair at the same time, I reviewed the submission as
> > > being entirely
> > > >complementary to ebXML.  I fielded calls from other ebXML
> > > organizations in
> > > >the interim between submission and the start date in March.
> > Most of the
> > > >discussion emphasized that this technology does 
> integrate into ebXML.
> > > >However, ebXML was on a schedule for May and it was not 
> feasible to
> > > >introduce the topic and maintain the final date.  ebXML has been
> > > considered
> > > >from the start.  Conversely, BTP is nearing the end of its short
> > > life-cycle
> > > >and I would offer that we evaluate its direction at the final
> > > f2f to be held
> > > >later this month.
> > > >
> > > >I do not have post privileges on the ebxml-bp mailing list.
> > > >
> > > >         Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >         Mark
> > >
> > >
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