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Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting
Yes, it's probably just wording. Mark. > > I think we're only disagreeing about form. If the TC agrees to close > than it's done. The only valid motion is to adjourn, and that might > not even be necessary. > > =bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@arjuna.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 9:29 AM > To: William Z Pope; Martin Chapman; Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM > Cc: business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting > > > The point is that if we as a committee agree to close the TC, what's the > point of anything else on the agenda? So it seems to me that scheduling > anything else on the agenda is premature. Now, if you want to say something > like "items X, Y and Z are on the agenda only in the event that we don't > close the TC", I think I'm happy with that. But if we are required to visit > X, Y and Z regardless it does seem pointless. > > Mark. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Z Pope" <zpope@pobox.com> > To: "Mark Little" <mark.little@arjuna.com>; "Martin Chapman" > <martin.chapman@oracle.com>; <Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM> > Cc: <business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 2:20 PM > Subject: RE: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting > > > > > > We have on the agenda a proposal to close the TC. I don't believe > > that I, nor any other member of the TC, can prohibit other members > > of the TC from putting items to the agenda. > > > > =bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Little [mailto:mark.little@arjuna.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 4:55 AM > > To: Martin Chapman; Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM; 'William Z Pope' > > Cc: 'Geoffrey Brown'; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting > > > > > > +1. > > > > Mark. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com> > > To: <Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM>; "'William Z Pope'" <zpope@pobox.com> > > Cc: "'Geoffrey Brown'" <Geoffrey.Brown@oracle.com>; > > <business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 1:08 AM > > Subject: RE: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting > > > > > > > All, > > > > > > I think the proposed meeting should have one topic on the agenda, as > > > proposed by Doug i.e. > > > the future of the BTP TC. Lets have that discussion, listen to views > from > > > all sides and make > > > a decision. If the group decides to continue, we should formalise a > > regular > > > call schedule with an > > > agreed workplan. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Martin. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:52 PM > > > > To: William Z Pope > > > > Cc: Geoffrey Brown; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > I do not think I implied reasons to go forward would be automatically > > > > off the table. My issue was specifically including > > > > discussion of those > > > > issues in an agenda of a meeting that may close the TC. As I > > > > said, the > > > > issues could be considered at a later time if we decide to go forward. > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > doug > > > > > > > > On 16-Sep-03 16:42, William Z Pope wrote: > > > > > > > > > Doug, > > > > > I respectfully disagree. The issues are some of the > > > > outstanding items > > > > > for the TC and hence one reason that the TC might want to > > > > go forward. > > > > > Any discussion of closing down the TC should examine the > > > > reasons that > > > > > the TC might want to go forward as well as the reasons that > > > > it might > > > > > not. > > > > > > > > > > =bill > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 6:03 PM > > > > > To: William Z Pope > > > > > Cc: Geoffrey Brown; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > > Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > I believe it inappropriate to discuss addressing issues at the same > > > > > meeting we work through the future existence of the group. I would > > > > > like to propose again, in stronger terms perhaps, that what > > > > we should > > > > > discuss in this meeting, and vote on, is whether after such a long > > > > > period of inactivity and after providing all our chartered > > > > > deliverables it makes any sense for this TC to continue. > > > > > > > > > > If the result is "yes" (the TC should continue its > > > > existence), then I > > > > > would like to see a proposed schedule of future meetings, > > > > deliverables > > > > > and how they fit into our Charter. Future meetings could > > > > be used to > > > > > discuss the issue list, means for addressing them and perhaps a > > > > > Charter modification [1] if the issues to be dealt with > > > > require such. > > > > > Until then, I think the we must constrain ourselves to one and only > > > > > one agenda item at the proposed meeting. Otherwise, we may > > > > create the > > > > > impression that suddenly, after all this time, the TC does > > > > indeed have > > > > > an agenda. > > > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > doug > > > > > > > > > > [1] Note that only clarifications are allowed to a Charter. If the > > > > > proposed deliverables are new, a new TC would need to do the work. > > > > > > > > > > On 16-Sep-03 11:01, William Z Pope wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>The items that I have for the agenda are > > > > >>1. Doug's proposal > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00 > > > > > 013.ht > > > > > > > > > >>ml > > > > >> > > > > >>Several items that may be relevant to the discussion around Doug's > > > > > > > > > > proposal > > > > > > > > > >>2. BTP issues > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00 > > > > > 008.ht > > > > > > > > > >>ml > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/business-transaction/200309/msg00 > > > > > 009.ht > > > > > > > > > >>ml > > > > >> > > > > >>For people who are interested in attending the call, would > > > > you send me > > > > >>the dates and times that you are available and/or > > > > unavailble. We are > > > > >>looking for 1/2 to 1 1/2 hours between September 26th and October > > > > >>10th. > > > > >> > > > > >>Regards, > > > > >>=bill > > > > >> > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > > > > >>From: Geoffrey Brown [mailto:Geoffrey.Brown@oracle.com] > > > > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 12:23 PM > > > > >>To: Doug Bunting > > > > >>Cc: zpope@pobox.com; business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > >>Subject: Re: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>Folks, > > > > >> > > > > >>If we are to call a meeting can we establish an agenda first. > > > > >> > > > > >>Thanks, > > > > >> > > > > >>Geoff. > > > > >> > > > > >>Director > > > > >>GRID Technologies > > > > >>Advanced Technology Solutions > > > > >>Oracle Corporation > > > > >> > > > > >>Doug Bunting wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>>Bill, > > > > >>> > > > > >>>On our call a bit ago, you asked for my time constraints: > > > > >>>* I prefer slots that fit into the standard Pacific time work day > > > > >>>* all day on the 23rd works for me > > > > >>>* Wednesday through Friday of that week, I will be > > > > participating in a > > > > >>>face to face standards meeting (W3C Web Services Architecture WG) > > > > >>>* if I have time it would be Friday afternoon > > > > >>>* the 29th through 1 October, I will be participating in > > > > an internal > > > > >>>offsite meeting. While I may be able to pull myself out > > > > for a short > > > > >>>teleconference, I would prefer to be settled in my office > > > > rather than > > > > >>>on a cell phone for this meeting. > > > > >>>* On the 2nd and 3rd, my mornings are a bit cloudy. I may > > > > have some > > > > >>>time available earlier in the day on Friday (the 3rd). > > > > >>> > > > > >>>thanx, > > > > >>> doug > > > > >>> > > > > >>>PS. I have seen your question but not yet decided how I feel about > > > > >>>it. Will let you know. > > > > >>> > > > > >>>On 12-Sep-03 03:12, William Z Pope wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>Doug, > > > > >>>>Interested in hearing your motion. That date and time > > > > work for me > > > > >>>>though I would also prefer something earlier. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>Regards, > > > > >>>>=bill > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>>-----Original Message----- > > > > >>>>>From: Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM [mailto:Doug.Bunting@Sun.COM] > > > > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 5:36 PM > > > > >>>>>To: business-transaction@lists.oasis-open.org > > > > >>>>>Subject: [business-transaction] Proposing a meeting > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>Bill et al, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>I would like to make a motion for consideration by this > > > > TC. As far > > > > >>>>>as I know, such a motion must be raised during a meeting of the > > > > >>>>>group and cannot be submitted over email. While I would > > > > prefer to > > > > >>>>>set up a teleconference for next week, I suspect our > > > > quorum numbers > > > > >>>>>remain unchanged since the previous meeting and will therefore > > > > >>>>>suggest Tuesday, > > > > >>>>>23rd September to give as many people a chance to attend. If > > > > >>>>>the group > > > > >>>>>agrees, I would be happy to host the call. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>To pick a time out of the air, how about 10:00 AM Pacific time? > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>thanx, > > > > >>>>> doug > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>-- > > > > >>>>>SunNetwork 2003 Conference and Pavilion > > > > >>>>>"An unparalleled event in network computing! Make the > > > > net work for > > > > >>>>>you!" > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>WHEN: September 16-18, 2003 > > > > >>>>>WHERE: Moscone Center, San Francisco > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>For more information or to register for the conference, please > > > > >>>>>visit: http://www.sun.com/sunnetwork > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the > > > > >>>>>roster of the OASIS TC), go to > > > > >>>>>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/business-transact > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>ion/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>>-- > > > > >>>SunNetwork 2003 Conference and Pavilion > > > > >>>"An unparalleled event in network computing! Make the net work for > > > > >>>you!" > > > > >>> > > > > >>>WHEN: September 16-18, 2003 > > > > >>>WHERE: Moscone Center, San Francisco > > > > >>> > > > > >>>For more information or to register for the conference, > > > > please visit: > > > > >>>http://www.sun.com/sunnetwork > > > > >>> > > > > >>>To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from > > > > the roster > > > > >>>of > > > > >> > > > > >>the OASIS TC), go to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/business-transaction/memb > > > > > ers/le > > > > > > > > > >>ave_workgroup.php. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >>To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from > > > > the roster > > > > >>of > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > >>OASIS TC), go to > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.oasis-> > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/business-transaction/memb > > > > > ers/le > > > > > > > > > >>ave_workgroup.php. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > SunNetwork 2003 Conference and Pavilion > > > > > "An unparalleled event in network computing! 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