Draft Minutes 11th September 2013

[Adrian Otto <adrian.otto@rackspace.com>]

Meeting Minutes 4th September 2013

Attendees:

Oracle Carlson, Mark Voting Member

Fujitsu Limited Durand, Jacques Voting Member

Cloudsoft Corporation Limited Heneveld, Alex Voting Member

Oracle Karmarkar, Anish Voting Member

Oracle Malhotra, Ashok Voting Member

Rackspace Hosting, Inc. Otto, Adrian Pro-Tem Chair

Oracle Pilz, Gilbert Voting Member

Fujitsu Limited Rutt, Tom Voting Member

Voting Members: 8 of 11 (72%). Meeting is quorate.

Topic: Intro:

Jacqes Durand assumes scribe duty.

Roll Call

Agenda approved w/o

Minutes:

Draft from 4th September 2013: 

MOTION: m:Anish, s: Adrian: move to approve the minues from 9/4/2013 https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/email/archives/201309/msg00000.html
Motion passes by UC

Topic: Action Items:

(none)

Topic: Administrivia:

Note: Mr. Bhaskar Reddy Byreddy group role has been changed to Voting Member

Michael Behrens requested LOA for Sept 11, and Sept 18 meetings. First request, granted.

Prasad Yendluri, requested LOA for Sept 11, and Sept 18 meetings. First request, granted.

Topic: Status:

Timeline: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/document.php?document_id=50034

Current open issues: 39 in total; 5 P1, 25 P2, 9 P3.

New Issues: 25 in total; 2 P1, 23 P2

Topic: Editing Team Update:

Most current TA draft:

https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/50636/camp-ta-v1.1-wd11.doc

Jacques presents the document by WebEx

(10:21:32 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace): Jacques presents current status of test assertions document TA-WD11: https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/50636/camp-ta-v1.1-wd11.doc
(10:22:03 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace): Additional normative statements needed to be added to the spec document, identified by this exercise.
(10:22:54 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace): Excerpt from CAMP-83 comments indicating current status:
(10:22:55 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace): PROGRESS:
=== Total mandatory normative tags in current spec draft:97
=== Current number of TAs: 123
(NOTE: relationship TA-to-NormTAG is often many to many)
=== Match of current TAs to current mandatory NormTAGs: 79 (out of 97)
=== Match to additional NormTAGs that were missing and are proposed : 18 (out of 18) (see (CAMP-83 https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/50586/camp-spec-v1.1-wd20-r1-NewNormTags-d.doc )
=== Testability-challenged NormTAGs: 16 (to be discussed)
=== Remaining NormTAGs for which testing seems possible: 0

CHALLENGES recap:

https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/camp/download.php/50637/NormativeChallenges.docx

Topic: New Issues:

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-85 P1: Normative Reference problems found in PR

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-86 P1: Nature of YAML makes its suitability as a normative reference problematic

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-87 P2: Open Data Center Alliance issues

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-88 P2: 1.5 PaaS Roles

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-89 P2: 1.6 Terminology

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-90 P2: 1.1 Overview and 1.2 Purpose

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-91 P2: 1.6 Terminology - normative text

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-92 P2: Section 2 Concepts and Types

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-93 P2: 2.1 Application Assemblies - first paragraph

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-94 P2: Figure 2-2: CAMP Resources as UML Classes (UML in general)

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-95 P2: 2.1.2 Assemblies

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-96 P2: 2.1.3 Components

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-97 P2: 2.1.4 Capabilities and Requirements and following

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-98 P2: 3 Application Management Lifecycle

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-99 P2: 3.2 Creating an Assembly Template from a PDP (Is Secton 3 normative?)

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-100 P2: 3.4 Removing Assemblies and Assembly Templates

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-101 P2: 4 Platform Deployment Package

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-102 P2: 4.1.2 Validating Integrity

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-103 P2: "For example"

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-104 P2: 4.2 Deployment Plan Overview

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-105 P2: 4.2 Deployment Plan Overview - RPM file?

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-106 P2: 4.2.1 Types, Example 2 and Examples Generally

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-107 P2: 4.2.2 Service Specifications

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-108 P2: 4.2.3 Names, Description, and Tags

http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-109 P2: 4.3.1 General Attributes

(10:25:10 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace): Do we need a super majority for the new issue processing?
(10:26:59 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: TA document: content is complete, still need clean-up
(10:27:26 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: chair: need super majority to open new P1 issues
(10:27:42 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Anish Karmarkar
(10:28:04 AM) Gil: q+
(10:28:05 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Anish Karmarkar, Gil Pilz (Oracle)
(10:28:15 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle)
(10:28:15 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: Anish: did we agree to raise the bar on accepting new issues?
(10:28:55 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: Gil: only raised the bar prior to PR

Consensus: No super majority is required to open new P1 issues at this time. Proceeding accordingly.

(10:28:58 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
(10:28:59 AM) Gil: q-
(10:29:11 AM) Gil: q+
(10:29:12 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle)
(10:29:16 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: CAMP#85, #86
(10:29:46 AM) Gil: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-85
(10:29:57 AM) Gil: https://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-86
(10:31:39 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle), Alex Heneveld

MOTION m:Gil s:Alex to open CAMP-85 and CAMP-86 as P1 issues.

Motion pass by UC

(10:34:18 AM) Gil: q+
(10:34:18 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle)

MOTION: m:Gil: s:Mark To open CAMP-87 through CAMP-109 as P2 issues

Motion pass by UC

Topic: Issue Discussion:

Topic: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-51 CAMP uses undocumented notation to describe resources

(10:35:42 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: Issues: CAMP#51
(10:38:39 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: Gil proposal for #51
(10:38:55 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace) lowered your hand
(10:38:55 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
(10:41:26 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Anish Karmarkar
(10:42:04 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
(10:43:03 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace): discussion of parenthesis
(10:43:33 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: Anish: we could create a special "nul" value
(10:43:40 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace): Anish asks if the question mark notion pertains to the attribute, or its value
(10:43:45 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Tom Rutt (Fujitsu)
(10:47:33 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
(10:51:29 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: ... reviewing Notational Conventions to a better "scoping" convention for ?*+

Topic: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-83 - Labeling of Normative Statements is incomplete (aka overhaul V2)

(10:55:40 AM) Gil: q+
(10:55:40 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle)
(10:57:03 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle), scribe
(10:57:39 AM) Gil: q-
(10:57:40 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: scribe
(10:58:40 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace): Jacques suggests that we spin up the TA document as a component artifact for the TC, rather than a proposal of CAMP-83.
(10:59:13 AM) Gil: q+
(10:59:14 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: scribe, Gil Pilz (Oracle)
(11:00:07 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle)
(11:00:12 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle), Tom Rutt (Fujitsu)
(11:00:23 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle), Tom Rutt (Fujitsu), scribe
(11:02:02 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Tom Rutt (Fujitsu): are we going to resolve the 18 "normative challenges", as individual issues?
(11:02:03 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Adrian Otto (Rackspace) lowered your hand
(11:02:03 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Tom Rutt (Fujitsu), scribe
(11:02:06 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Tom Rutt (Fujitsu)
(11:02:34 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Tom Rutt (Fujitsu), Adrian Otto (Rackspace)
(11:02:38 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Adrian Otto (Rackspace)
(11:02:46 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: Tom:
(11:03:07 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: need to look at "challenges" on Normative statements (a byproduct of #83)
(11:03:22 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-
(11:03:28 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: chair: should be a separate issue
(11:07:54 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: chair: will schedule an extra editor meeting for the Challenge doc.

Note: Agreement to schedule an editor's meeting to determine which issues need to be opened and which are purely editorial adjustments that can be handled within the scope of CAMP-83.

Topic: http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/CAMP-31 - State change mechanism is unclear

(11:07:59 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: CAMP#31
(11:11:45 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: chair: list of minimal states is desirable (consensus)
(11:11:58 AM) Gil: q+
(11:11:58 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle)
(11:13:00 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: Gil: OK to surface notion of "state" (for run-time apps). Which resources? What the values are?
(11:13:37 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: ... Assembly is too high level. Component-level is needed.
(11:13:52 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: ... PlatformComponent as well, maybe.
(11:14:03 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Gil Pilz (Oracle), Adrian Otto (Rackspace)
(11:14:53 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: chair: use discussion thread on #31 to progress this further
(11:15:04 AM) Gil: q-
(11:15:04 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: Adrian Otto (Rackspace)
(11:15:29 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: ... Gil to follow-up
(11:16:53 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: Q: -empty-

Topic: Straggler roll

No stragglers.

(11:22:25 AM) oasis-camp@soaphub.org: scribe: meeting adjourned 11:20amPT

Meeting Adjourned