Re: [cgmo-webcgm] RE: about transform [was RE: [cgmo-webcgm] Groups - Proposed WebCGM 2.1 ...]

[Lofton Henderson <lofton@rockynet.com>]

At 01:34 PM 9/4/2007 -0400, Bezaire, Benoit wrote:
>[...]
>Would it be possible to get access to that demo?

It would be best to ask Dave about it.  Maybe Dave could set up a WebEx 
session for you guys.  When Molly visited, she actually had to sanitize all 
of her base graphics, before she could show them to us.

Cheers,
-Lofton.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lofton Henderson [mailto:lofton@rockynet.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:54 AM
>To: Bezaire, Benoit; cgmo-webcgm@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: Re: [cgmo-webcgm] RE: about transform [was RE: [cgmo-webcgm]
>Groups - Proposed WebCGM 2.1 ...]
>
>At 11:32 AM 9/4/2007 -0400, Bezaire, Benoit wrote:
> >Hi Lofton,
> >
> >No I didn't see the demo.
> >
> >But regardless, we have a hard time imagining CGM users will take the
> >time & effort required to write javascript code and do 3x3 matrix
> >calculations.
>
>That is one thing that impressed me about their demo ... how much work
>*they* were willing to do to create "discount animation".
>
>Also their demo made clear that they are not the end user of the
>animations.  What they did is create a tool that handles/hides most of
>the tedious dirty work needed to create the end-user's animation (in
>their "discount animation" style.)
>
>Clearly, the creation of such animations without the tool would be
>beyond the ambition or ability of the average user (as you noted above).
>
>Just to clarify, for my own understanding... Does "time & effort"
>represent the entire scope of your comment, "it will result in a bad
>user experience"?  Or did you have other aspects in mind?
>
>Cheers,
>-Lofton.
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Lofton Henderson [mailto:lofton@rockynet.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 11:20 AM
> >To: Bezaire, Benoit; cgmo-webcgm@lists.oasis-open.org
> >Subject: about transform [was RE: [cgmo-webcgm] Groups - Proposed
> >WebCGM
> >2.1 ...]
> >
> >Hi Benoit,
> >
> >One question about your comments, and a question to everyone at
> >Seattle...
> >
> >At 10:25 AM 9/4/2007 -0400, Bezaire, Benoit wrote:
> > >Hi All,
> > >
> > >I will be on the call tomorrow. Dieter will try to attend but his
> > >schedule may prevent him from doing so.
> > >
> > >Here's our position on the 2.1 requirements:
> > >- substring hotspots: ok.
> > >- text search: ok for example; we think the general text search
> > >functionality should be a viewer feature as oppose to a DOM
>interface.
> > >i.e., why should a user have to write javascript to search for text
> > >in a CGM file?
> > >- animation:
> > >  1) we do not see our dev team implementing a transform interface,
> > >we think it will result in a bad user experience.
> >
> >I'm curious whether you ever managed to arrange to see the demo that
> >Molly and Larry showed us in Seattle?
> >
> >I'd like to hear from the other attendees, but I got the impression
> >that everyone thought availability of transform (at least as a Style
> >Property) would be useful to them in implementing their "discount
> >animation" more efficiently than they presently are able.
> >
> >Comments?  (Everyone!)
> >
> >Regards,
> >-Lofton.
> >
> > >  2) zoom and pan interface: no objection.
> > >  3) additional style properties: we need more info.
> > >- improved font interchange: ok.
> > >- z-compression: ok.
> > >- clarify transparency: ok.
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Benoit.
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: david.w.cruikshank@boeing.com
> > >[mailto:david.w.cruikshank@boeing.com]
> > >Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 6:20 PM
> > >To: cgmo-webcgm@lists.oasis-open.org
> > >Subject: [cgmo-webcgm] Groups - Proposed WebCGM 2.1 enhancements
> > >(WebCGM_21_list_r2.html) uploaded
> > >
> > >updated the WebCGM 2.1 enhancement document again to add the
> > >interaction of transparency
> > >
> > >  -- Mr. david cruikshank
> > >
> > >The document revision named Proposed WebCGM 2.1 enhancements
> > >(WebCGM_21_list_r2.html) has been submitted by Mr. david cruikshank
> > >to the OASIS CGM Open WebCGM TC document repository.  This document
> > >is revision #2 of WebCGM_21_list.html.
> > >
> > >Document Description:
> > >This is a draft document identifying potential WebCGM 2.1
> > >functionality
> >
> > >enhancements.
> > >
> > >Added the functionalilty of z-compression left out in the original
> > >document
> > >
> > >Rev 2 added the transparency issue
> > >
> > >View Document Details:
> > >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/cgmo-webcgm/document.php
> > >?d
> > >o
> > >cument_id=25179
> > >
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> > >179/WebCGM_21_list_r2.html
> > >
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