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Subject: movements and adoption of CGM on the web
CGMOpen members and interested parties, --------Background or generalities---------------- CGMOpen as a standards body or technical group to standards bodies has made major contributions to the CGM world. But it is time or really past time to determine what role CGM will have on the web. Many organizations are rapidly moving to place information and technical documentation on the web. A vast majority of information on a particular product (object) has a short life cycle. Once the object is created it does not need to be modified. Let's look at the industries where CGM has taken hold; automotive, aerospace, petroleum, military, large structures. The life expectancy, maintenance, re-use and investment in resources is high. In some instances the life cycle of this information is between 20 and 40 years are more. As time passes, faster hardware and new software with greater functionality and different formats are introduced. Some of theses products and formats are great for a particular task but for whatever reason do not survive the test of time. CGM has stood the test of time and because of organizations like the ATA and CGMOpen has continued to add additional capabilities. Along comes SGML/HTML/XML and the explosion of the web and everyone trying to utilize this new tool and technology. The W3C can barley keep pass with the demand for additional capabilities that the market place demands from the web. Everyone realizes that the growth needs to be done in an agreed upon manner or we will have chaos and/or small islands of isolation (a past buzz phrase). Therefore the need for standards and formats with the ability to add new functionality as time moves forward and the user demand increases. ----------------MAIN PORTION OF MESSAGE----------------------------- I have read and re-read Lofton's messages from March 7. I was planning on waiting until Sunday to bring up specific issues but now it seems appropriate. We have sold CGM to our respective fields of expertise and it is serving a purpose. But to be realistic, one real test of a format software, or technology is how many different other software packages or companies are writing drivers, interfaces or are utilizing that format. One time in the past 2 to five years, I saw a statistic on the number of packages having CGM support. The functionality or capabilities for their products came from 3 or 4 companies. These companies only have so many resources to devote first to the development of their product line and then the standard itself. I fully understand and realize this concept. But the user community needs solutions and additional capabilities. We are attempting to use CGM in ways that the developers of the products and standards did not envision. Greg Gallants comments on using CGM's within a Document management and content management system and having a DOM so that others can access CGM objects is vital to the success of the continued use and growth of the standard. Also the comment on scripting and usage tying CGM and the browser worlds is also a must. The CGMOpen BHO is a great start. But as I was involved in this and subsequent discussions, I know this falls short of the users needs. I know a great deal of time and resources went into the development of this project. Some companies spent many resources in planning/ discussion time and recoding their products. I know that some of the member companies have recently released products that they have major capital costs in developing and need to re-coop development costs and make profits. This is reasonable and expected. But, I know of a few procurements currently on the street and many R&D efforts that are ongoing and member companies have been contacted to include parts of their technology. I have spoken with many of you regarding some of these issues. No one wants to or needs to give away what they have spent a great deal of capital to develop. But the bottom line is that many of these efforts do not need all the functionality that your tools provide. I do not know what numbers these third parties are offering for your CGM technology. Yet, I do feel that CGM missed a window of opportunity to be more widely used on the web, hence the creation of SVG. I don't know how many windows of opportunities come along in a formats life time. But I do know that some good formats such as Beta for video recordings did not gain momentum and essentially faded away. I do not want this to happen with CGM. If we want the standard to be more widely used we must as a community/organization do what is necessary. I know there are numerous technical issues to work through with many financial implications behind each one. But, also look at the millions of dollars that are being spent by the industries using CGM. Also, look at the potential market if tools were developed that would allow any user to create, edit and display a CGM file. I thank you for your time on this message and the issues that it will raise. I look forward to the Cleveland meeting and the successful workings of CGM and CGMOpen. harry Harry Whittaker Navsea, Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division 9500 Macarthur Blvd. Bethesda Md. 20817-5700 (t) 301-227-3388 (f) 301-227-3343 e-mail whittakerhw@nswccd.navy.mil -----Original Message----- From: Lofton Henderson [mailto:lofton@rockynet.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 3:20 PM To: cgmopen-members@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: From Greg (MGX)... CGM Open Members -- I have been having some dialog with former member/rep Greg Gallant, Micrografx. As an aside, he expressed these thoughts about CGMO TC initiatives, which I pass along for your information and consideration... >I would hope that making significant progress on the WebCGM DOM is among the >initiatives. I believe that much deeper interaction between browser >scripting logic and the drawing structure will be necessary for more complex >distributed applications. Also, a standardized XML Schema/DTD for WebCGM >would facilitate the use of CGMs within Document Management and Content >Management systems. Further, I hope that some progress will be made on the >adoption of an animation model. Regards, -Lofton. ******************* Lofton Henderson 1919 Fourteenth St., #604 Boulder, CO 80302 Phone: 303-449-8728 Email: lofton@rockynet.com ******************* ------------------------------------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this elist send a message with the single word "unsubscribe" in the body to: cgmopen-members-request@lists.oasis-open.org
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