Re: [chairs] relations with W3C

[Phil Griffin <phil.griffin@asn-1.com>]

Hal,

I do think that your comments are very important. And I
think that for work that relies heavily on W3C recommendations
there should be strong coordination to try to make sure that
the OASIS standards communities needs are met, and that the
work we produce fits in with where the W3C is headed.

I think that XCBF is more of an exception here - but I'm not
uncomfortable with that, as there is strong support for the
approach XCBF is taking in its work in the finscvs standards 
community. It seems that there's never one best way to do 
hardly anything.

Phil


> Hal Lockhart wrote:
> 
> I beg your pardon. I tend to over generalize. I had forgotten about
> XCBF.
> 
> Hal
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phil Griffin [mailto:phil.griffin@asn-1.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 6:18 PM
> > To: Hal Lockhart
> > Cc: 'Karl F. Best'; chairs
> > Subject: Re: [chairs] relations with W3C
> >
> >
> > Hal,
> >
> > It is not quite true that "All the OASIS Security-related
> > TCs have a relationship with the security-related activities
> > at W3C." This is not true for XCBF, which has its closest
> > ties perhaps to ANSI X9 security activities and the emerging
> > XML work being done there.
> >
> > In particular XCBF has ties to the X9F4 Security Applications
> > group for X9.84 and to the X9F3 Cryptographic Protocols group
> > working on X9.96 XML CMS, an alternative to the W3C XMLDSIG
> > effort. There's also reliance on the work of ITU-T SG17 for
> > their ASN.1 schema for XML markup, which XCBF will use to try
> > to harmonize the two binary message formats for biometrics
> > specified in the NIST CBEFF work.
> >
> > So, I think it would be helpful to start out with the view
> > that while we share some common interests (promoting OASIS as
> > an important standards organization, trying to broaden its
> > appeal, its scope and the use of its standards), but that these
> > interests are not across the board.
> >
> > Some of what each of us do, both within and outside of OASIS
> > may not be of much interest to all of the others. In my work
> > with various security-related standards bodies, I tend to wear
> > many hats.
> >
> > Phil
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> >
> >
> >
> > > Hal Lockhart wrote:
> > >
> > > Karl,
> > >
> > > All the OASIS Security-related TCs have a relationship with the
> > > security-related activities at W3C. Existing liaisons have been
> > > facilitated by the significant overlap in participants. A
> > > comprehensive discussion of all the relationships would require
> > > considerable analysis and probably would include some
> controversial
> > > points.
> > >
> > > Focusing spacifically on SAML and XACML, both are dependant on XML
> 
> > > signature. Both intend to encorporate XML encryption, once it is
> > > reasonably complete. Both could be used in conjunction with
> > XKMS, but
> > > the coupling is much more indirect.
> > >
> > > A much more significant dependancy is that SAML and XACML
> > are defined
> > > using XML Schema. XACML is also making significant use of XPATH.
> > >
> > > SAML is expected to be used in a Web Services environment (among
> > > others). SAML is defining both a Binding and a Profile
> > (SAML-specific
> > > terms) for SOAP. The intention is to update one or both of these
> for
> > > XML Protocol when it matures.
> > >
> > > A SAML WSDL file has been proposed.
> > >
> > > I think those are the major interrelationships.
> > >
> > > Hal
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 2:20 PM
> > > > To: chairs
> > > > Subject: [chairs] relations with W3C
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chairs:
> > > >
> > > > The managements of OASIS and of W3C have been in conversation
> the
> > > last
> > > > couple of months about how the two organizations could better
> > > > be working
> > > > together. As part of our discussions W3C has asked for
> > > > specific problems
> > > > or concerns that should be addressed.
> > > >
> > > > In preparation for our next meeting at the end of next week I
> > > > would like
> > > > to hear from any of the OASIS TCs that now have or could have
> > > > a liaison
> > > > relationship with a W3C working group or activity, or whose
> > > technical
> > > > work in some way overlaps or relates to their work.
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know what specific issues your TC may have
> including
> > > but
> > > > not limited to obstacles to working together, divergent goals,
> IP
> > > > issues, scheduling issues, what groups you need to work with,
> etc.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > </karl>
> > > >
> =================================================================
> > > > Karl F. Best
> > > > OASIS - Director, Technical Operations
> > > > +1 978.667.5115 x206
> > > > karl.best@oasis-open.org  http://www.oasis-open.org
> > > >
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