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Subject: RE: [chairs] public comment web form
Was there rampant abuse by TC's of -comment lists or just an isolated case or two? From the SSTC perspective, I'm not extremely concerned about the change. I do worry a bit about not being able to ask follow-up questions without engaging in private email exchanges that should probably be kept public. But the SAML -comment list receives very little traffic, and we would just deal with it as necessary. When it has been used in SSTC, there have been occasional follow-up mail messages to the list to clarify, etc. SSTC also has a separate list called saml-dev that has the same openness rules as the public -comment list; i.e. the public can post after subscribing. SAML implementers use this list for occasional discussion of implementation questions and there is frequently considerable follow-up and clarification. This keeps our -comment list reserved for just public comments on the specs. This works quite well for us. But if a lot of the TC's wish to keep some amount of interactivity on their -comment list, then why make this change. If isolated cases of abuse turn up, then why not just address it with the offending TC? As others asked, what other motivations are there for making this change? Rob Philpott RSA Security Inc. The Most Trusted Name in e-Security Tel: 781-515-7115 Mobile: 617-510-0893 Fax: 781-515-7020 mailto:rphilpott@rsasecurity.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl F. Best [mailto:karl.best@oasis-open.org] > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:38 AM > To: Rich Thompson > Cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form > > Yes, there have been TCs who have conducted technical discussions on the > comment lists. Under the guise of getting technical input from a broad > number of sources, they have actually reduced the incentive for people > to join the TC. > > -Karl > > > Rich Thompson wrote: > > > > So if I understand the design: > > - There will no longer be a -comment email list one can subscribe to > > - There will be a web form for submitting comments > > - These comments will be emailed to the chair and appended to a > > publically accessible archive > > > > This maintains accountability, but is a drop on the openness front. > > Still accountable because anyone can go search the -comment archive, but > > less open as many fewer will do that than who subscribe to the -comment > > lists today. > > > > I guess I would back up and question why it is a problem for the public > > email list to be a discussion forum. Have there been instances where > > this was distractive to the work of the TC or perhaps used > > inappropriately by some members of the public? Other reasons driving the > > change? > > > > Rich Thompson > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > > > > "Karl F. Best" <karl.best@oasis-open.org> > > > > 09/04/2003 02:01 PM > > Please respond to karl.best > > > > > > To: Rich Thompson/Watson/IBM@IBMUS > > cc: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > > Subject: Re: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > > > > > The submitted comment will be forwarded to the chair as well as put in > > the -comment archive. So there will still be the same accountability for > > the comments received. > > > > -Karl > > > > > > Rich Thompson wrote: > > > > > > One could always argue that the chair can forward the comment with a > > > reply to the TC mail list rather than a private response. I was more > > > concerned that this takes what was an open communication (posting to > an > > > email list) and turns it into a private communication (email to the > > > chair). This seems to go against the open nature of OASIS. > > > > > > Rich Thompson > > > OASIS WSRP TC Chair > > > > > > > > > "Drummond Reed" <drummond.reed@onename.com> > > > > > > 09/04/2003 01:27 PM > > > > > > > > > To: <lauren@textuality.com>, <chairs@lists.oasis- > open.org> > > > cc: "Gabe Wachob (E-mail)" <gwachob@visa.com> > > > Subject: RE: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > I agree with Lauren. At least a limited form of public discussion > seems > > > like a valuable portion of what OASIS provides. What was the board's > > > thinking on this? > > > > > > =Drummond > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Lauren Wood [mailto:lauren@textuality.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:02 AM > > > To: chairs@lists.oasis-open.org > > > Subject: [chairs] public comment web form > > > > > > Karl wrote: > > > > > > * The TC's public comment list is replaced with a "means to collect > > > public comments", which will be a web form. (This is to prevent the > > > comment list from being used as a discussion list.) Comments > > > collected by the web form will go to the chairs. I'm having the web > > > forms built now and will announce to the comment lists when this > > > change will take place. > > > > > > > > > Karl, > > > > > > how do we then ask clarifying questions, or make quick replies (along > > > the lines of "see section 2.1. in the spec - isn't that clear > > > enough?" > > > > > > I can understand not wanting full discussions, but we often do need > > > clarifying discussions to know what the comment provider really > > > meant. And I'd rather not have that take place in private email. > > > > > > Lauren > > > > > > --- > > > Lauren Wood, Textuality > > > Chair, ER TC > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster > of > > > the OASIS TC), go to > > > http://www.oasis- > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgr > > > oup.php. > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster > of > > > the OASIS TC), go to > > > > > http://www.oasis- > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ================================================================= > > Karl F. Best > > Vice President, OASIS > > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > > > > > -- > ================================================================= > Karl F. Best > Vice President, OASIS > office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 > karl.best@oasis-open.org http://www.oasis-open.org > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > the OASIS TC), go to http://www.oasis- > open.org/apps/org/workgroup/chairs/members/leave_workgroup.php.
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