Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo

[David RR Webber <david@drrw.info>]

Who said anything about giving up ideals?!  ; -)

You just have to be patient - and seize the highground when you get the 
chance!

DW

Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz wrote:

> Yes, I am aware you are a pragmatist on this, from other comments you 
> have made.
>  
> The difficulty I have is that to give up on the ideal, is to make 
> OASIS a legitimate playground for vendors applications with jCAM 
> trying to plug them together.....we are getting towards the thin end 
> of the wedge and er, uncomfortably close to today's SI issues.
>  
> Opposing it while retreating, is my stance I guess..until there really 
> is no hope, and then maybe I would switch to your position.
>  
> But right now I think there is at least some hope!:-)
>  
> Cheers
>  
> Colin  
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* David RR Webber [mailto:david@drrw.info]
>     *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 5:11 p.m.
>     *To:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz; RKumar@msi.com.au;
>     ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>     *Subject:* Re: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>
>     Colin,
>      
>     I'm a pragmatist on this.  Noone can force any TC to do anything.
>      
>     My spin is therefore to try and build pieces that just happen to be
>     integrated with something else.  So for Hermes ebMS, jCAM is a
>     plug-in.
>      
>     All I can suggest is that you have pluggable CIQ parts for popular
>     formats.
>      
>     I know I'm on the hook to do this with jCAM - I will get to that
>     in December - right now
>     I have a huge backlog - dealing with the Interop demo...
>      
>     DW
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         *From:* Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz
>         <mailto:Colin.Wallis@ssc.govt.nz>
>         *To:* RKumar@msi.com.au <mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au> ;
>         ciq@lists.oasis-open.org <mailto:ciq@lists.oasis-open.org>
>         *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2004 11:04 PM
>         *Subject:* RE: [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>
>         This is just unbelievable!
>          
>         I don't know the Best Practice for Technical Committees but
>         surely to goodness there is a clause somewhere that states you
>         must identify the key drivers of your proposed standard and
>         socialise them with the rest of the OASIS community.
>          
>         I think this issue is one to put in front of OASIS management
>         and get some community wide discussion going.
>          
>         Because CIQ is so generic to data exchange we are going to
>         have this situation more and more. 
>          
>         I think it is best to get it in the open, now..or at least
>         soonish.
>          
>         Cheers
>          
>         Colin
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au]
>             *Sent:* Friday, 12 November 2004 4:17 p.m.
>             *To:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>             *Subject:* [ciq] FW: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>
>             CIQ TC,
>              
>             FYI.
>              
>             This is the problem we have at OASIS. Forget convergence
>             and re-usability of
>             standards outside of OASIS when there is no visibility
>             among OASIS TCs in
>             the first place! At OASIS we talk about convergence and
>             re-usability of standards/
>             specifications. But this rarely happens!
>              
>             Ram
>              
>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>             *From:* Newcomer, Eric [mailto:Eric.Newcomer@iona.com]
>             *Sent:* Friday, November 12, 2004 12:48 AM
>             *To:* Ram Kumar; martin.chapman@oracle.com
>             *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>             *Subject:* RE: XML 2004 Interop. demo
>
>             Hi Ram,
>              
>             I'm afraid the answer is that we did not consider it and
>             I'm afraid I also must say that I am unfamiliar with the
>             CIQ specs.
>              
>             Do you think they are a good match for the WS-Context
>             specification? 
>              
>             Eric
>
>                 -----Original Message-----
>                 *From:* Ram Kumar [mailto:RKumar@msi.com.au]
>                 *Sent:* Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:47 PM
>                 *To:* martin.chapman@oracle.com; Newcomer, Eric
>                 *Cc:* ciq@lists.oasis-open.org
>                 *Subject:* XML 2004 Interop. demo
>
>                 Hi Martin and Eric,
>                  
>                 I am the OASIS Chair for Customer Information
>                 Standards TC (OASIS CIQ TC).
>                  
>                 I understanding that you are presenting the following
>                 demo at XML 2004:
>                  
>                 Nov.17, 1:15PM -- OASIS WS-Composite Application
>                 Framework - Arjuna, IONA and
>                 Oracle will simulate three Web-based storefronts that
>                 use WS-CAF to share
>                 customer information.
>
>                 I am keen to know whether you considered representing
>                 the customer information
>                 content that you are going to share in the demo
>                 using the OASIS CIQ specs. for
>                 customer information. By this way, the whole demo will
>                 be standards based and in
>                 particular, representation of the content using an
>                 industry spec. is very key for any
>                 web services application.
>                  
>                 Looking forward to your views.
>                  
>                 Regards,
>                  
>                 Ram Kumar
>