Re: workaround to make GML schemas work with xAL

["Ram Kumar" <kumar.sydney@gmail.com>]

Hi Carl,

I spoke to xBRL guys about this clash in namespace between the
xBRL-CIQ implementation of xLink and yours. They said hat they
are happy to work with you and my TC to have a consistent implementation
of xLink that works for all three of us and thus enables interoperability.
So, please let me know.

Regards,

Ram

On 6/6/07, creed@opengeospatial.org <creed@opengeospatial.org> wrote:
> Ram -
>
> Thanks for your help and persistence! Let me double check with a couple of
> OGC members. Personally, I do not see a real problem but then again I am
> not the GML wizard others are.
>
> Carl
>
> > Hi Carl, Liz and Colin,
> >
> > To make geo-oasis.xsd and gml-oasis.xsd and xlinks.xsd schemas
> > from OGC to be included in xAL and to get rid of the namespace conflicts
> > between xLink versions of CIQ/xBRL and OGC, I changed the namespace
> > of OGC xLink schema to "http://www.w3c.org/1999/xlink-gml"; FROM
> > "http://www.w3c.org/1999/xlink";.
> >
> > This fixed the problem and enclosed is an image of how xAL element
> > "LocationByCoordinates" reuses geo-oasis root element "WhereType".
> >
> > Carl, please let me know whether this namespace change is going to be an
> > issue.
> > This is the only way I can get both the CIQ and OGC schemas working.
> > I know this is a work around. The ideal way is for xBRL. CIQ and OGC to
> > sit
> > down and implement a consistent version of xLink (like what CIQ and xBRL
> > did)
> > that works for OGC, CIQ and xBRL.
> >
> > Once you are happy with this, I will be in a position to package the
> > stuff.
> >
> > BTW Carl,
> > do you have any document on these schemas other than what I have namely,
> > "Best Practices: A GML OASIS Profile for use in OASIS Standards, Carl
> > Reed, Jan.2006"?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Ram
> >
> > On 6/6/07, creed@opengeospatial.org <creed@opengeospatial.org> wrote:
> >> Pretty much totally agree and also very much agree to help and engage
> >> other OGC and GeoRSS collaborators as required!
> >>
> >> Great dialogue by the way!
> >>
> >> Carl
> >>
> >> > OK, Liz back now. Writing this together....
> >> >
> >> > We went on a hunt, found Geo RSS supports ATOM as well as RDF SS 1.0
> >> so
> >> > we are happy, and it looks like we don't have to implement xLink with
> >> > the geospatial now.
> >> >
> >> > There are two options: GeoRSS GML and GeoRSS Simple. GML looks more
> >> > complete, Simple is, well, simple, is just for points but may satisfy
> >> > people in the space for the short/medium term but a better long term
> >> > solution would be geoRSS GML because it supports more shapes, like
> >> > township boundaries.
> >> >
> >> > So this is want we want to do: Top choice GeoRSS GML, provided Carl
> >> and
> >> > his guys will work with us to do the sample data in the spec. Second
> >> > choice is GeoRSS Simple in the spec for now, with the proviso that we
> >> > consider GeoRSS GML soon, before demand for geolocating an address
> >> hits
> >> > us between the eyes.
> >> >
> >> > PLUS....
> >> >
> >> > The 5 elements that Liz has talked about and wrote in the response in
> >> > January: the original 4: lat (deg, min, sec, dir), long (deg, min,
> >> sec,
> >> > dir), datum, projection, (plus now), data source (free text data
> >> field).
> >> > This set of things should be a little data structure in your schema
> >> for
> >> > "locationCoordinates"
> >> >
> >> > Carl, do you agree? Will you help?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Col and Liz
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: WALLIS, Colin
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2007 10:29 a.m.
> >> > To: 'creed@opengeospatial.org'
> >> > Cc: 'kumar.sydney@gmail.com'; KOLSTER, Liz
> >> > Subject: RE: Problem reusing GML-OASIS profile in CIQ xAL!
> >> >
> >> > Liz not available just at present for me to check the following, but I
> >> > think it's great idea in theory.
> >> > I just need to know which RSS that GEO is supporting..RDF Site Summary
> >> > 1.0, Really Simple Syndication 2.0, or ATOM?
> >> >
> >> > If we used GEO RSS, the RSS choice would need to be spelled out in the
> >> > Release Notes as some organisations and jurisdictions will have
> >> > limitations on what they support. We did support RDF Site Summary but
> >> is
> >> > now in the process of being deprecated in favour of ATOM.  If it's
> >> > Really Simple Syndication then at least in NZ Govt we have a problem
> >> as
> >> > we have never supported the standard in any formal way.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > Colin
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: creed@opengeospatial.org [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org]
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2007 10:10 a.m.
> >> > To: WALLIS, Colin
> >> > Cc: kumar.sydney@gmail.com; KOLSTER, Liz; creed@opengeospatial.org
> >> > Subject: RE: Problem reusing GML-OASIS profile in CIQ xAL!
> >> >
> >> > Seems a reasonable approach. Any more thoughts on Liz's suggestion of
> >> > using GeoRSS?
> >> >
> >> > Carl
> >> >
> >> >> OK let's see what Carl has to say.
> >> >> On the face of it the notion of ##any may be the only option much as
> >> I
> >> >
> >> >> hate it, but we add a note to say we have identified the problem and
> >> >> will work with OGC to resolve it.
> >> >> Then while the specs are out for public review we see if OGC are
> >> >> prepared to offer multiple xLink implementations, and if so, work up
> >> a
> >> >
> >> >> CIQ/xBRL version.  Not ideal I know...
> >> >> Might be worth letting my name-sake at xBRL.org know about this...
> >> >> Cheers
> >> >> Colin
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Ram Kumar [mailto:kumar.sydney@gmail.com]
> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, 5 June 2007 9:12 p.m.
> >> >> To: KOLSTER, Liz; Carl Reed OGC Account; WALLIS, Colin
> >> >> Subject: Problem reusing GML-OASIS profile in CIQ xAL!
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Carl, Liz and Colin,
> >> >>
> >> >> I tried to reuse geo-oasis.xsd and gml-oasis.xsd schemas in xAL.
> >> >> I realised that OASIS CIQ has an implementation of xLink schema that
> >> >> is compatible with xBRL as it was jointly developed with xBRL group.
> >> >> The GML profile schemas has its own version of xlink implementation
> >> >> and hence, name clashes!
> >> >>
> >> >> I have no idea what to do about this!
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Ram
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