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Subject: RE: [dita-learningspec] RE: Whither learningPractice?
Thanks for the input, Sandra. The TC is still wrapping up DITA 1.3 and I’m not sure how quickly we can move on the educational support. I can tell you that you may want to wait until DITA 1.3 is available for adoption for your project due to some of the support improvements it contains. Have a great day, Amber From: Sandra Durham (sdurham) [mailto:sdurham@cisco.com] Coming in as a newbie here. We have a similar set of deliverables for formal certification-based training content as Mark described for SAP. We are currently in a proprietary XML solution, but need to investigate DITA 1.2 as a possible migration path to a standards-based solution. Our training outputs include:
We do have formal learning objectives but our assessments are handled separately (not part of our XML-authored content). Sandra Durham Content Architect, Learning @ Cisco 1414 Mass Ave | Boxboro, MA 01719 phone: 978 936-2196 From: Amber Swope <amber@ditastrategies.com> Hi there, It is a new year and perhaps time to reconsider the requirements in this space. The thread indicated that folks see the need for more support. Here are my initial thoughts on how to get started: 1. Can this be part of the existing L&T subcommittee work? I think we can position it to be the natural evolution of the subcommittee, which means that we can simply define our goals for the next specification update and start working on it. 2. Given the different focus, I think it would be appropriate for us to attempt to include more folks with instructional design and LMS-delivery backgrounds. Do folks agree? If so, then how do we find these people? My apologies for the delayed response…the DITA 1.3 work and my work scheduled took precedence over future planning. Have a great day, A From: dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of Myers, Mark Hi Amber, I’m definitely interested and have the same views as you expressed. In SAP, we are using DITA 1.2 extensively to create our training and education content. From a data modeling perspective, we found DITA 1.2 Learning and Training spec to cover almost all our requirements. However, we did need to do extensive pipeline and style sheet development in order to produce the formal types of outputs you mention below including course outlines, SCORM e-learning courses for running on an LMS, instructor presentations, instructor and participant handbooks, and so on. In my opinion, it would be very beneficial for the adoption of DITA L&T to have an open source implementation to generate these types of outputs. This would make the adoption of DITA for learning and education much easier. Jenn Gemmell and I presented a summary of our use of DITA 1.2 for education in our DITA NA conference presentation. She’s an instructional designer and has extensive hands-on experience in using DITA 1.2 for the development of learning content so I would like to involve her as well. We would be happy to discuss this topic in further detail. Regards, Mark Mark Myers From: Amber Swope [mailto:amber@ditastrategies.com] Hi there, I know that we’re still wrapping up our DITA 1.3 work, but wanted to restart the conversation about what is next for the L&T support. In various meetings, there has been the suggestion that we start a separate effort for formal education support. I have multiple clients using the DITA L&T support and they fall into the following broadly defined categories: · knowledge transfer o goal: present information to pass knowledge o learning objective usage: no formal learning objective assessment requirements o delivery: information is presented with instructor-led session (in-person or remotely via Internet) o deliverables: slides · training o goal: train folks to perform certain tasks that correspond to specific learning objectives o learning objective usage: no formal assessment o delivery: information is presented with instructor-led session (in-person or remotely via Internet) or via downloadable webinars o deliverables: slides; maybe some student materials and/or instructor guide; exercises · education o goal: teach students formal curriculum that corresponds to specific learning objectives o learning objective usage: formal assessment with grading requirements o delivery: information is presented in many ways, including instructor-led session (in-person or remotely via Internet) using slides, via downloadable webinars, via LMS, … o deliverables: slides, LMS content, syllabus, student materials, instructor guide, tests, practice tests, course descriptions, compliance documents, question banks Do other folks have a similar understanding of this space? If not, how is your experience different? My experience is that with the DITA 1.3 updates, we can meet the majority of the needs for the first two groups, but the education folks need more formal support. Is anyone else interested in working on this more formal support? If so, how is the best way to do this? Thanks, A Amber Swope dita specialist <dita strategies> 503.922.3038 From:dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita-learningspec@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of john_hunt@us.ibm.com Hi Eliot, Mark, all -
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