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Subject: FW: DITA Open Toolkit sample files worked okay with thexliffRoundTrip tool (was FW: Translation Workflow)
- From: "JoAnn Hackos" <joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com>
- To: <dita-translation@lists.oasis-open.org>,<cwong@idiominc.com>,<mambrose@sdl.com>,<bhertz@sdl.com>,"Bryan Schnabel" <bryan.s.schnabel@tek.com>,<charles_pau@us.ibm.com>,<christian.lieske@sap.com>,<dpooley@sdl.com>,<dschell@us.ibm.com>,<esrig@lucent.com>,<fsasaki@w3.org>,<rfletcher@sdl.com>,"Howard.Schwartz" <Howard.Schwartz@trados.com>,"Jennifer Linton" <jennifer.linton@comtech-serv.com>,<Peter.Reynolds@lionbridge.com>,<ishida@w3.org>,<tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com>,<KARA@CA.IBM.COM>,<ysavourel@translate.com>
- Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 06:58:42 -0600
See the attached information from Bryan Schnabel and
Rodolfo Raya.
JoAnn
On Tue, 2006-06-13 at 17:38 -0700, bryan.s.schnabel@exgate.tek.com
wrote:
Hi Don,
I'm sorry that it took me months,
instead of days to do the test you asked for. You asked me to download the
samples from the DITA Open Toolkit, and try them in my xliffRoundTrip Tool, to
see what we get.
I finally did that. I found that I could do them
easily enough, one at a time. But I found it better to modify the program a
little bit to do several at a time. I cooked up a little commandline routine
that reads the mapfile in the sample directory, creates one XLIFF file (with a
<file> element for each file), runs a little pseudo translation, then
transforms the pseudo-translated XLIFF file back into the appropriate
translated DITA chunks.
I zipped the application and sent it to you,
along with a powerpoint file that kind of walks you through it. (sorry for the
large zip file; I included the jar file for Saxon 8, because the modification
required XSLT 2.0)
In glancing at some of the recent DITA SC notes, it
looks like Andrzej and Rodolfo are making an actual tool to that will do the
job (I'm sure much better than my little test application).
But it was
kind of fun to run the file through and see what came out.
You're
welcome to try the little sample I sent for kicks if you want. Again, I'm very
sorry I wasn't able to get right on
this.
Thanks,
Bryan
Hi Bryan,
Good
work!
Checking the XLIFF file that you sent I found segments like
this:
<trans-unit id="d3e5"
xmrk:ancs="1">
<source>
<x id="prolog-x-mch2-d3e5"
xmrk:ancs="1"/>
</source>
<target>
<x id="prolog-x-mch2-d3e5"
xmrk:ancs="1"/>
</target>
</trans-unit>
Would it be possible to avoid creating a segment
with only an inline tag in it?
I also noticed that you copied source text
to target. Is it possible to leave the target element empty or to omit the
target element? If not, could the state attribute of the target be set to
a value that indicates that it is a dummy target?
A TM engine may not
add translations to a segment if the target is not empty. Without state
indication, the TM engine cannot tell if the text in the target is bad and can
be overwritten or if the text is a good translation. Also, it would be easier to
apply segmentation rules to a segment if there isn't a target to worry about.
Additional segmentation will be necessary, as the stylesheet creates segments at
block level, not at sentence level.
The attachment contains a set of
individual XLIFF files that I generated from the the DITA samples and a unified
XLIFF with all segments. The larger XLIFF was generated merging the individual
files from the translation project, keeping one <file> element for each
DITA document. All files were segmented at sentence level.
Best
regards,
Rodolfo
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dita_xliff.zip
steps.zip
DITA-XLIFF_round_trip.zip
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