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Subject: Re: Acronym proposal for DITA
Hi Richard,
Many thanks for your feedback. We now plan to separate the 'id' from the
acronym itself.
Best Regards,
AZ
Richard Ishida wrote:
> I just skimmed this, and thought I should point out a couple more things to
> consider. Note that acronyms also change in translation, eg. NATO becomes
> OTAN in Spanish. Another good reason to avoid using the acronym as the id.
>
> Also, it would be useful to search the public w3c html mailing lists (going
> back a few years) for discussions about acronyms and abbreviations. Things
> you'll find there include discussions about whether it makes sense to
> separate out acronyms and abbreviations - ie. can people always decide which
> is which. And Web Accessibility requirements that lean towards a need for a
> pronunciation guide that is separate from the expanded form, eg. for
> clarifying that CSAIL (Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence
> Laboratory) is pronounced see-sail, not C.S.A.I.L.
>
> Hope that's some help,
> RI
>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kara Warburton [mailto:KARA@CA.IBM.COM]
>> Sent: 13 March 2007 12:27
>> To: Andrzej Zydron
>> Cc: bhertz@sdl.com; Bryan Schnabel; charles_pau@us.ibm.com;
>> christian.lieske@sap.com;
>> dita-translation@lists.oasis-open.org; dpooley@sdl.com;
>> dschell@us.ibm.com; esrig-ia@esrig.com; fsasaki@w3.org;
>> Howard.Schwartz; ishida@w3.org; JoAnn Hackos;
>> mambrose@sdl.com; rfletcher@sdl.com;
>> tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com;
>> ysavourel@translate.com; Carla Quinn
>> Subject: Re: Acronym proposal for DITA
>>
>> Hi Andrzej,
>>
>> Using the acronym itself as the id attribute is not a good
>> idea since it may not be unique. Many acronyms have multiple
>> different expanded forms, even within the same domain. For
>> instance, in computing, ACL can stand for both access control
>> list, and application connectivity link. When you are dealing
>> with multiple domains, there are likely to be more than two
>> expanded forms.
>>
>> Also, how does this relate to the <term> element that already
>> exists in DITA? An acronym is a type of term, so I would like
>> to see these two items handled together somehow, such as
>> through a "type" attribute on the <term> element, that
>> attribute using one of the values in TBX-lite.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kara Warburton
>> IBM LanguageWare & Terminology
>> Team Lead, Language & Data Integration
>> 905-413-2170
>>
>> IBM terminology: http://w3.ibm.com/standards/terminology
>> LanguageWare: http://languageware.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
>> My blog: http://blogs.tap.ibm.com/weblogs/page/kara@ca.ibm.com
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>> Andrzej Zydron
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>> <azydron@xml-intl
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>> To
>> JoAnn Hackos
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>> 05/03/2007 07:25
>> <joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com>
>> AM
>> cc
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>> dita-translation@lists.oasis-open.o
>> rg, mambrose@sdl.com,
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>> bhertz@sdl.com, Bryan
>> Schnabel
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>> <bryan.s.schnabel@tek.com>,
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>> charles_pau@us.ibm.com,
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>> christian.lieske@sap.com,
>> dpooley@sdl.com,
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>> dschell@us.ibm.com,
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>> esrig-ia@esrig.com,
>> fsasaki@w3.org,
>> rfletcher@sdl.com,
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>> "Howard.Schwartz"
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>> <Howard.Schwartz@trados.com>,
>> ishida@w3.org,
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>> tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.c
>> om, Kara
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>>
>> Warburton/Toronto/IBM@IBMCA,
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>> ysavourel@translate.com
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>> Hi Everyone,
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>> Acronyms are ubiquitous in technical documentation. Although
>> there are similarities between acronyms and the glossaries,
>> from the localization and presentation point of view acronyms
>> are a special case. Acronyms need to be expanded in the first
>> encounter within a printed document. In electronic published
>> documents acronym definitions can also be made available in
>> the form of a hyper link or 'tool tip' mechanism.
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>> For translation, acronym definitions need to be presented in
>> the nominative case, without any inflection. The best way of
>> doing this using an automated mechanism is to place the
>> definition of the acronym in parentheses immediately
>> following the first occurrence of the acronym, e.g.
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>> Your vehicle is fitted with an ABS (Anti-lock Braking System)
>> and 4WD (Four Wheel Drive).
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>> My recommendation is to create an <acronym> element that can
>> occur anywhere within PCDATA. The acronym will have an 'id'
>> attribute that will be the acronym itself, e.g. <acronym
>> id="ABS"/>. The <acronym> element will be resolved via a
>> conref attribute to the full acronym text, e.g. <acronym
>> id="ABS" conref="aconyms.dita#abs"/>. The entry in the
>> aconyms.dita file will be:
>>
>> <acronym name="abs">Anti-lock Break System</acronym>
>>
>> At compose time, when you are putting together the
>> publication you can print the full form the first time
>> around, but in parentheses to get around any potential
>> problems when translating into inflected languages:
>>
>> <p>The <acroym id="ABS" conref="aconyms.dita#abs"/> facility
>> will prevent the car from skidding.</p>
>>
>> This will be published as:
>>
>> The ABS (Anti-lock Break System) facility will prevent the
>> car from skidding.
>>
>> This is in reverse to what would normally be printed, e.g.
>>
>> Anti-lock Break System (ABS)
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>> But this is perfectly acceptable and gets around translation
>> problems with inflected languages.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> AZ
>>
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