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Subject: Meeting Minutes 5/11/2004 -- DITA Technical Committee
Meeting Minutes 5/11/2004 -- DITA Technical Committee
*** Please see Action Items and Decision Summary at the end ***
** Agenda **
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1. Roll call
2. Review schedule for Charter activities (3-month milestone)
3. Brainstorm: What needs done by August to produce the
specifications?
- Which kinds of specs are needed? (architectures, schemas)
- What can be done to bring everyone up to speed quickly?
- What process to follow to get to consensus?
Suggested themes for briefings:
- What is a topic?
- What is a domain?
- What is specialization?
- What are the DITA design principles?
- What is a typical DITA workflow?
- How does DITA encourage reuse?
4. Housekeeping: documents, bug tracking, issue tracking,
community support
5. W3C Compound documents paper: review edits; decide to leave/pull
** Minutes **
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1. Roll call
o Scott Tsao
m Eliot Kimber
m Robin Cover
m Mary McRae
m David Schell
m Paul Grosso
m Don Day
m Michael Priestley
m Seraphim Larsen
m Bruce Esrig
m Bruce Sesnovich
p Sharon Veach
o Patricia Best
o Eric Sirois
p=prospective; m=member; o=observer
Regrets from JoAnn Hackos, Michael Smith
Do we have a quorum? Yes -- we have 50% (Patricia Best
verified that quorum for OASIS is 50% of voting membership)
1a. Review/approve minutes from last week
- Roster from last week's meeting reflected membership
status as of the beginning of the call. Paul Grosso noted
that the attendee list in the previous minutes was not in
itself a full representation of initial voting membership
among all who called. The following list accurately
reflects the roster of the qualifying Prospective members
who attended the first call, and therefore are initial
Voting Members of the TC as of its first meeting, May 4,
2004:
- Michael Smith
- Indi Liepa
- Eliot Kimber
- Jerry Smith
- Robin Cover
- Stanley Doherty
- Mary McRae
- David Schell
- Paul Grosso
- Michael Priestley
- France Baril
- JoAnn T. Hackos
- Deborah Lapeyre
- Paul Antonov
- Jeffrey Beck
- Seraphim Larsen
- Frank Peters
- Bruce Esrig
- Bruce Sesnovich
- Don Day
- Regarding item 7 -- DocBook liaison -- Michael Smith has
proposed to be the liaison. Approved without objection.
- No more corrections or comments on last week's minutes.
Minutes from last week are approved, except for the
clarification about the membership status.
2. Review schedule for Charter activities (3-month milestone)
- End date for this milestone is August 10th
- What ground are we trying to cover? (see item 3 below)
- The goal is to submit a committee-approved draft by this date
3. Brainstorm: What needs done by August to produce the
specifications?
- Which kinds of specs are needed? (architectures, schemas)
- What documents comprise the set of specs that we need to
deliver Aug 10th?
- Architecture -- Three layers -- three separate specs,
based on how specialization works (Michael Priestley):
1. Domain and class attributes and how they operate
from an instance perspective. It's about content
and instance operation. Specialization that
operates at the instance level.
2. Design modularization spec -- "if you set up your
design this way, it can be reused and merged with
other compliant designs". What is a topic?
(concept, task, reference) What is a map?
3. Processing model
- DTD -- This is a separate specification (or set of
specifications).
- At a minimum, what do we need? Important to
distinguish the data model and the types distinguished
in it, from the language used to describe the model.
For example UML. (see citation of relevant paper at
http://xml.coverpages.org/kimberUML-dtds20000115.pdf)
- Idea now is to brainstorm, not make final decisions.
We have some implementations "out there" already, and
the purpose here is to give some stability to that.
- Will there be a reference implementation released within
the same timeframe?
- It would be good to have some kind of reference
implementation. Can we use the IBM implementation for
this? Is there any reason we CAN'T?
- Eliot would be uncomfortable publishing a spec if we
can't also provide a reference implementation
- Mary McRae -- Would the reference implementation need
to be turned over to OASIS? Is IBM comfortable with
that?
- Don -- No, OASIS doesn't maintain code
- Sourceforge is an example where the code for some
OASIS standards reside
- Shall we formally approve this? Any negative
ramifications?
- Need to verify it or adopt it by consensus
- Need to make sure any samples we generate can run
through it OK
- No objections to adopting it as the reference
implementation
- Approved to accept the IBM DeveloperWorks
implementation as the reference implementation
- What process to follow to get to consensus?
- This topic was not discussed.
- What can be done to bring everyone up to speed quickly?
- Michael and Don did some brainstorming and came up with
the themes below. Are these appropriate themes? Is this
a good idea?
- What is a topic?
- What is a domain?
- What is specialization?
- What are the DITA design principles?
- What is a typical DITA workflow?
- How does DITA encourage reuse?
- Bruce -- "What is a typical DITA workflow?" Does this
include pragmatics? What do I need to do to successfully
install a minimum subset that I can play with?
- Need a full discussion of the role of maps and the DITA
linking model
- Probably need other briefings also
- How many weeks should we allot for briefings?
- Proposal to do a regular series of web briefings for
the next 4-6 weeks, in a separate meeting on Monday
afternoons 3 PM ET.
- Six weeks takes us halfway through our schedule -- is
this OK? Probably yes
- Is this open to people who are curious about DITA but
don't have any involvement in the TC?
- No objections to this, but we don't know how we're
going to broadcast this or how scalable it will be
- Would we run out of lines?
- Except for these potential technical
difficulties, it would be nice to have a
series of open briefings
- Can we use IBM's conferencing system
("SameTime")?
- There were problems with SameTime when IBM
presented to Intel (firewall) -- we had to use
WebEx instead
- Don and Michael will look into it and see what
will work and if we can scale it to get
additional lines
- Mary McRae -- Microsoft is still hosting Live Meeting
hosting for free (for now). She will look into this
and see if it will work.
4. Housekeeping: documents, bug tracking, issue tracking, community
support
- Bug tracking -- OASIS is working on a new system because
the current one has several problems.
- Go ahead and use consistent naming under the
hierarchies we already have
- Append filename with a dot
- It doesn't seem like we got closure on this issue --
raise again next time?
- Is there a namespace declared for DITA? No, not now. But
this will be part of the discussion of the specifications.
- Scott will start a discussion of this on the list.
- Continue the discussion on the list -- we are still just
looking for ideas now, but will need to come to a decision
soon
- In the submission package, there are two files that are
not strictly part of the submission -- two files beginning
with "bookmap". This is a proposed specialization of
"map". The "bookmap" files really don't belong there yet.
They are in the wrong place. Do we need to upload an
upgraded version with these two files deleted?
- Yes. There will be a readme indicating the removal.
Don will post a new revision.
- DeveloperWorks forum -- find a new home for user community?
- It's an existing forum for DITA, but the mechanism for
it has some drawbacks
- It's hard to get through the firewall to access this
discussion
- It's not indexed by Google so it's not possible for
the world to get to it
- Can we do something on OASIS? Probably not...
- We need a publicly archived mailing list... any ideas?
- Mulberry's XSLT list, XML.doc -- these are potential
models
- Let's take discussion of this to the mailing list...
(AR for Michael)
5. W3C Compound documents paper: review edits; decide to
leave/pull
- Proposed editorial amendments --
- W3C says it's fine to amend the document before it's
published (or even afterwards is also OK)
- Do we agree that the proposed amendments should be
accepted to be submitted to W3C.
- Let's vote via email because people had to leave and
we didn't have a quorum anymore...
** Summary of Decisions **
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- Minutes for 5/4/04 meeting approved with clarification about
membership status. Updated roster showing Founding Member
status to be posted to OASIS website.
- Michael Smith appointed liaison to DocBook Technical
Committee. Appoved without objection.
- Approved to accept the IBM DeveloperWorks implementation as
the DITA reference implementation.
- Approved to start a regular series of web briefings over a
six-week period, starting 5/17, in a separate meeting on
Mondays at 3 PM ET.
- Approved to post updated submission package with the "bookmap"
files removed.
** Action Required **
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001 Dave Schell, Don Day -- Indicate on the roster which
members are Founding Members
002 Eliot Kimber -- Provide citation on the mailing
list regarding a paper on UML (as a model for distinguishing
the data model from the language used to describe the model)
003 Don and Michael -- Look into the technicalities of setting
up the weekly "briefings" -- getting additional lines,
setting up conferencing software. Target first meeting for
this Monday 5/17.
004 Mary McRae -- Look into using Microsoft Live Meeting to host
the web briefings meetings (coordinate with Don and Michael)
005 Scott Tsao -- Start a discussion on the Mailing List
regarding DITA namespace declarations.
006 Don Day -- Start discussion on the Mailing List for
housekeeping issues.
007 Don Day -- Post updated submission package with the
"bookmap" files removed.
008 Michael Priestley -- Start discussion on list for finding a
new home for the DITA Forum (currently on DeveloperWorks)
009 Don Day -- Take a vote-by-email whether the proposed
amendments to the W3C Compound Documents Paper should be
submitted to W3C.
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Seraphim Larsen ICG Technical Publications
Sr. Technical Writer Intel Corporation
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