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Subject: FW: [dita] Fw: Internationalization and Localization in DITA
Don, I did notice that most rules apply to output, so there are probably
few recommendations to implement in the structure itself.
I can volunteer for the guideline review, but next week, only. I am on
vacation, starting tomorrow up to Tuesday. So, if the task force can't
be put together this week, count me in for next week.
France
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Day [mailto:dond@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:06 PM
To: France Baril
Cc: DITA TC list
Subject: RE: [dita] Fw: Internationalization and Localization in DITA
I have some concerns about scope, France. The existing guidelines are
many, and still a work in progress. Some will apply to DITA as source,
others will apply to the transformed outputs. The role of translation
in the progression from source to output has to be taken into account as
well.
I am concerned too that the item-by-item analysis itself will roughly
double an already large workload for what is intended to be a point
release, and the goal of the point release (I think--maybe I'm wrong) is
to move high-priority requirements and urgent fixes into users hands as
quickly as possible.
Moreover, if we are going to provide a comprehensive review of G18N
requirements, we owe the same level of review to Accessibility
requirements as well.
This is not to say that we can't add any highest-priority Globalization
and Accessibility requirements into the 1.1 plan. We just have to keep
the scope of a 1.1 release in mind as we discuss how to handle Yves'
invitation.
I would be open to the TC commissioning an expert "task force" to review
the guidelines immediately and come back to the TC next week with
prioritized recommendations for the TC as a whole to select from for 1.1
(as we will do for the other list after its public review). This
represents a reality-bounded, good faith effort to respond to Yves'
suggestions.
Any volunteers?
Regards,
--
Don Day <dond@us.ibm.com>
Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
IBM Lead DITA Architect
11501 Burnet Rd., MS 9037D018, Austin TX 78758
Ph. 512-838-8550 (T/L 678-8550)
"Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?"
--T.S. Eliot
"France Baril" <France.Baril@ixiasoft.com> wrote on 04/27/2005 09:29:31
AM:
> We based a lot of our decision on the feasablitiy of the changes
> within a reasonable time frame.
>
> I believe we should go through the rules to support and implement one
> by one and inlcude all that we can do within the Version 1 timeframe.
>
> If some rules are harder/longer to implement and imply structural
> changes, we should move them to the Version 2 timeframe.
>
> I agree with JoAnn on the fact that this is a very important aspect.
> We should move as quick as we can on this.
>
> Question: Would Yves Savourel's team be able to pin point some issues
> that might have a bigger impact then others?
>
> France
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Day [mailto:dond@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:42 PM
> To: DITA TC list
> Subject: [dita] Fw: Internationalization and Localization in DITA
>
>
> Team,
>
> I received the following note from Yves Savourel, on behalf of W3C
> Internationalization activities, suggesting a possible, mutually
> beneficial, liaison betwen our two activities.
>
> As a list discussion point before we bring this note up in a future TC
> meeting, should we consider a review of globalization aspects of DITA
> within a Version 1 timeframe, or is this a Version 2 level of
> activity?
>
> We should probably ask the same thing of Accessibility considerations
> too, but let's make that a separate note... Globalization has
> potentially more direct bearing on accomodations within the DITA
> language, and direct impacts for authoring and processing.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Don Day <dond@us.ibm.com>
> Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee
> IBM Lead DITA Architect
> 11501 Burnet Rd., MS 9037D018, Austin TX 78758
> Ph. 512-838-8550 (T/L 678-8550)
>
> "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge?
> Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?"
> --T.S. Eliot
> ----- Forwarded by Don Day/Austin/IBM on 04/26/2005 10:26 PM -----
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> Dear Don,
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> In the past weeks some members of the Internationalization Tag Set
> Working Group (http://www.w3.org/International/its) have been looking
> at the current work done in the OASIS DITA Technical Committee with
> interest.
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> The ITS Working Group is a recent addition to the Internationalization
> Activity at the W3C and is chartered (
> http://www.w3.org/2004/11/i18n-recharter/its-charter) to create
> guidelines and a tags set to address internationalization and
> localization issues in XML.
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> We were very pleased to see that DITA was already implementing helpful
> information for localization such as the translate attribute.
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> We also noticed that some internationalization aspects were maybe not
> fully covered. For example, the possibility to use directional
> overrides tags for bi-directional scripts, or to use Ruby text in
> Japanese and Chinese content.
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> ITS is only at its early stages, and our first deliverable is a set of
> requirements (due in May). So, we are not yet able to offer you
> official documents that may help you make a review of DITA from the
> internationalization and localization viewpoint. However, maybe one of
> our very early work documents could be of some help to you in that
> regard: http://people.w3.org/rishida/localizable-dtds.
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> I was also wondering if someone in the DITA TC would be interested in
> joining the ITS WG as well? This could help us both: For DITA, to make
> sure that all potential aspects of internationalization and
> localization issues are looked at and solutions work with DITA are
> found; and for ITS, to make sure that we cover all potential issues
> for XML documents with an architecture similar to DITA's.
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> Please, let me know what you think.
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> Kind regards,
> -yves
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> Yves Savourel
> Localization Solutions Architect
> ENLASO Corporation
> T: 303-516-0857 x104 * F: 303-516-1701
> E: ysavourel@translate.com
> Chair, W3C Internationalization Tag Set Working Group
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