RE: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA Translation Subcommittee

[Mary McRae <marypmcrae@gmail.com>]

Hi everyone,

 I'm afraid I missed something. My apologies! Don, if you can send me the link to the minutes where the SC was voted/approved, the
name of the chair(s)/secretary and either a charter or statement of work I can get a Kavi SC set up along with a mailing list. Glad
to see some of the XLIFF folks on this list!

Regards,

Mary 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: JoAnn Hackos [mailto:joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:00 PM
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> bhertz@sdl.com; Bryan Schnabel; charles_pau@us.ibm.com; 
> christian.lieske@sap.com; dpooley@sdl.com; dond@us.ibm.com; 
> dschell@us.ibm.com; fsasaki@w3.org; rfletcher@sdl.com; 
> gershon@tech-tav.com; Jennifer Linton; JoAnn Hackos; 
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> Peter.Reynolds@lionbridge.com; ishida@w3.org; 
> rodolfo@heartsome.net; Sukumar.Munshi@lionbridge.com; 
> tony.jewtushenko@productinnovator.com; ysavourel@translate.com
> Subject: [dita] MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA 
> Translation Subcommittee
> 
> MEETING MINUTES -- 06 February 2006 -- DITA TECHNICAL 
> COMMITTEE/Translation Subcommittee (Minutes taken by Don Day 
> and JoAnn Hackos)
> Date:  Tuesday, 06 February 2006
> Time:  08:00am - 09:00am PT 
> 
> DITA Technical Committee website:  
>     - Public:
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=dita 
>     - Members only: 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/ 
>     - Wiki:         http://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/ 
> 
> 
> Meeting Introduction and Goals
> 	DITA and Translation -- Organizational Meeting
> 
> Thank you all for deciding to participate in the 
> organizational meeting for what we hope becomes a valuable 
> addition to the OASIS DITA Technical Committee activities.
> 
> 
> Here are some of the goals that have been in our discussions 
> for the past two months at the OASIS DITA TC:
> 
> 
> 1) We are anxious, as you know, to develop an effective 
> liaison with the W3C ITS activities so that both committee 
> are engaged in providing for the needs of the 
> information-development community from authoring through 
> localization into the production of final deliverables in 
> multiple languages.
> 
> 2) We hope to establish guidelines that promote best 
> practices for authoring, workflow, and tools that always 
> information to move smoothly from original authors through 
> translators and production specialists handling the 
> intricacies of multiple languages and cultures.
> 
> 
> 3) We hope to build into existing specifications methods that 
> will help vendors and service providers comply with DITA and 
> translation-oriented standards.
> 
> 4) And, perhaps most specifically, we hope to add a DITA to 
> XLIFF tools to the Open Source so that content can move 
> smoothly along the full development life cycle.
> 
> ____________________________
> 
> 
> Agenda for the Organizational Meeting
> 
> * Introduce the participants
> 
> 	JoAnn Hackos, Comtech, OASIS DITA TC, co-organizer of 
> this meeting
> 	Don Day, IBM, OASIS DITA TC Chairperson and 
> co-organizer of this meeting
> 
> 	Charles Pau, IBM, Localization, involved in the IBM
> implementation of DITA and 	Translation, interested in the XLIFF
> open source tool
> 
> 	Yves Savourel, Chair ITS WG W3C--constructs and guidelines for
> translation, I18N of XML 	content. DITA is of interest.
> 
> 	Andrzej Zydron, CTO of XML-INTL, serves on W3C ITS, LISA
> Steering Cmte, OASIS XLIFF TC, 	OASIS Translation Web 
> Svcs TC, LISA
> Globalization Metrics, demos of ITS standards, 	
> particularly xml:tm.
> 
> 	Felix Sasaki, Team contact ITS WG, wants to discuss 
> liaison relations.
> 
> 	Gershon Joseph, consultant in Israeli market, has clients moving
> to XML content often 	with localization requirements, wants to
> streamline the translation workflow
> 
> 	Tony Yevtushenko, Chair XLIFF TC, I18N, L10N, here to understand
> how to work more 	effectively to optimize our synergies, has
> implementation models around XLIFF to make us 	aware of.
> 
> 	Rodolfo Raya, Heartsome.  Supports many formats to XLIFF, has
> one for XLIFF/DITA already.  	Understands the value of a common
> solution for all to use.  Interested in an OS solution 	
> for the DITA
> Toolkit.
> 
> 	Sukumar Munshi solution architect for Lionbridge. Applying
> expertise to DITA. First 	commercial implementation of XLIFF,
> interested in interoperability of translation 	standards.
> 
> 	Mark Ambrose, SDL--lot of customers with DITA interest, want to
> stay on the forefront and 	participate in discussions. Also
> introduced David Pooley and Richard Fletcher
> 
> 	Patrick Klassen, Scriptware. DocZone is a hosted 
> CMS--all customers can
> 	share content, style sheets, processes, DITA is a key 
> standard, uses tools from XML Intl
> 
> 	Chrisian Lieske, SAP company, business solutions--content
> engineering, works with 	different members on this call.
> Interested in DITA and its move into different languages.
> 
> 	Bryan Schnabel, Tektronix, sent regrets for having mistaken the
> meeting time. Is very 	interested in taking part.
> 
> *** Plan a time for future meetings
> 
> 	General agreement on Mondays at this time, weekly for two
> months. JoAnn will send Outlook 	invitation.
> 
> ***Goals for the DITA/ITS liaison subcommittee
> 
> 	Don Day has two goals for liaison with W3C: provisioning for
> standards, and best 	practices
> 
> 	Christian: advised on liaison requirements from W3C side (Don,
> get a note between Felix 	and Carol Geyer on formalizing the
> activity) Patent policy, for example.
> 
> * Review and revise the goals (here are some key points to discuss)
> 
> * Review of messages heard by the TC about DITA's scorecard
> 
> Don's 4 items: Translatable attributes, @translate & 
> @xml:lang, best practices for authors, tools, inline/block 
> identification
> 
> Rodolfo: Some elements are blocks that might appear in the 
> middle of a sentence.
> 
> Mark agrees on clearly separating these items.
> 
> Andrjez points out the table created by Robert Anderson and 
> Chris Wong that shows what is inline and not. Good to 
> deprecate attribute content due to inflections. ITS looked at 
> occurrence.
> Notes that "translate=no" is not used a great deal, but useful.
> 
> Sukumar Munshi on @translate: decisions on who should specify 
> this should inform on actual DTD specification. Don suggests 
> best practices for specializers, Joann includes practices for 
> editor/translation tool vendors.
> 
> JoAnn suggests review of the block/inline elements for next meeting
> 
> Wants to move quickly toward best practices for attributes
> 
> *** Work of the TC and ITS to define update recommendations for DITA
> 1.1 and authoring best practices
> 
> 
> *** Feasibility of a DITA/XLIFF transform project
> 
> Andrzej and Felix know of Sun, Schnabel, a third GPL license. 
> Tony Jewtushenko will send the links to the related tools lists.
> 
> Don's goals: specialization awareness and segmentation based 
> on text analysis
> 
> Andrzej--SRX as a technology. Would be willing to review 
> these standards for the next meeting.
> 
> Items not discussed because of time. For next meeting:
> * Coordination on messages to users and industry
> 
> * Discussion of worldwide opportunity for DITA--are we now at 
> the tipping point? How big is the pie we expect to divide up?
> 
> * Enumerate a set of possible actions
> 
> * Define priorities of these actions
> 
> * Ask participants in the meeting to consider what role they 
> would like to have in fulfilling the goals in preparation for 
> the next meeting
> 
> I know that this is an aggressive agenda. We'll do our best 
> to keep on track and do as much as we can to make plans for 
> the future.
> 
> Thank you again for your willingness to help,
> 
> JoAnn mentioned the white paper activity, encouraged 
> committee review of its recommendations when it is ready in 
> about a month.
> 
> 
> Next meeting: discuss existing set of standards, review 
> Anderson's paper, consider test cases of DITA in different 
> languages (particularly Arabic).
> 
> 
> Current draft of next DITA release?  TC still working on 1.1 
> inputs-watch this space. DITA OT 1.2 coming out this week.
> 
> 
> Don Day and JoAnn Hackos
>