AW: [dita] RE: Hazard Statement Width

["Christian Kravogel" <christian.kravogel@seicodyne.ch>]

Paul,

 

Now it's clearinfying what happened.

 

First I also have to appologize, I should have verified before I answered to you in the first place.

 

You are right, I just checked the history of the proposal and in one of the first drafts from 2006 we have had proposed 4 attributes controlling the layout of a hazardstatement accoridng to the Z535.4 standard:

 

labelformat (1|2|3|other) "2"

panelarrangement (horizontal|vertical) "horizontal"

width NMTOKEN #IMPLIED

align (left|right|center) "left"

 

and if I recall correct they have been implemented as a preversion in the Arbortext Editor 5.3 M030 release in Summer 2007.

 

These additional attributes got removed by the TC - approx. in fall 2007 - and we moved back to the base attributes available from the note element. So we never went to the point of discussing how those attributes should be used.

 

All these 4 attributes belong to the definitions in the ANSI Z535.4 standard, so if we are going to add them e.g. in DITA 1.3 we will have to provide clear guidance how to use them in creation and rendering of a document.

 

For those who would like to consult the definitions in ANSI Z535.4 you can purchase it for 75.- $ at http://webstore.ansi.org

 

Best regards

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

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Von: Grosso, Paul [mailto:pgrosso@ptc.com]
Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. März 2009 18:06
An: Christian Kravogel; dond@us.ibm.com; dita
Betreff: [dita] RE: Hazard Statement Width

I do apologize for all the unnecessary discussion.

 

Someone told me there was a width attribute on hazardstatement, and I failed to verify that statement against the actual DITA 1.2 DTDs.  It turns out the user was looking at a DTD they must have modified.

 

Given that there is no width attribute on hazardstatement, we don't need to add anything to the spec here, so we can cancel the decision we made today to do so.

 

paul

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From: Christian Kravogel [mailto:christian.kravogel@seicodyne.ch]
Sent: Tuesday, 2009 March 24 11:21
To: Grosso, Paul; dond@us.ibm.com; 'dita'
Subject: Hazard Statement Width

Paul, Don,

 

I just checked the content model of hazardstatement and it's child elements, and I do not find any potential error.

 

Paul, your statement "In a hazard statement, you can set the width of the hazard statement using the attribute width." is not correct.

hazardstatement has been derived from the element note and there is no width attribute.

 

So we can shorten it and just leave everything as it is.

 

 

The width for a hazardstatement still is an issue, an important issue, but it is just a rendering issue. And we may have to provide guidance or recomendations in a document.

 

 

If we like to be very fastidious we may have to cover issues like: when a hazardstatement with a hazardsymbol is placed into a table and the width of the hazardsymbol is exceeding the width of the tablecell, the table or even the pagewidth. But then we may need to catch all cases of nested width attributes in our specification.

 

Best regards

 

Chris

 

 

SeicoDyne GmbH

Eichenstrasse 16

CH-6015 Reussbühl

Switzerland

Tel: +41 41 534 66 97

Mob: +41 78 790 66 97

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christian.kravogel@seicodyne.com

 

Member of the DITA Technical Committee

Chairman of the DITA Machine Industry Subcommittee