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Subject: RE: [dita] Proposal: Domain for Japanese ruby markup ala HTML5
We decided at today's TC meeting to move this forward for a 2nd-phase proposal. Best regards, Kris Kristen James Eberlein | DITA Architect and Technical Specialist | SDL Structured Content Technologies Division | (t) + 1 (919) 682-2290| keberlein@sdl.com -----Original Message----- From: dita@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita@lists.oasis-open.org] On Behalf Of JoAnn Hackos Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 7:14 PM To: Eliot Kimber; Richard Hamilton Cc: DITA TC Subject: Re: [dita] Proposal: Domain for Japanese ruby markup ala HTML5 I think this proposal needs to be discussed by the Translation SC. Let's see if we can reconvene it. We considered Ruby markup for DITA 1.2 and decided against recommending it. I don't know if the members of the SC think differently today. JoAnn JoAnn T. Hackos, PhD President Comtech Services Inc. 710 Kipling Street, Suite 400 Denver, CO 80215 Joann.hackos@comtech-serv.com 303-232-7586 On 1/25/12 10:21 PM, "Eliot Kimber" <ekimber@reallysi.com> wrote: >Good point--the markup is primarily driven by Japanese requirements but it >is not unique to Japanese typography as you say. > >Cheers, > >E. > >On 1/25/12 11:18 PM, "Richard Hamilton" <hamilton@xmlpress.net> wrote: > >> Eliot, >> >> I agree that it probably should be a domain, for the reasons you >>describe. >> However, there are other languages where a phonetic "ruby" could be >>useful. >> I've seen the same kind of thing in Chinese texts (mostly in language >>learning >> aids), and I'm sure there are other uses. >> >> So, I would suggest that any specification description not imply that >>usage is >> limited to Japanese. >> >> Best Regards, >> Richard >> ------- >> XML Press >> New from XML Press: >> WIKI: Grow Your Own for Fun and Profit >> http://xmlpress.net/publications/wiki-how-to-grow >> >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:56 PM, Eliot Kimber wrote: >> >>> HTML5 provides an improved version of HTML 4's <ruby> markup, which is >>> required for Japanese-language documents that include kanji >>>(ideographic) >>> characters. >>> >>> In Japanese, the pronunciation of ideographic characters cannot always >>>(or >>> often) be known from context. The ideographic characters are annotated >>>with >>> their phonetic transliteration, a "ruby", which is rendered above or >>>beside >>> or following the ideographs. This is standard Japanese typography. >>> >>> In the context of the DITA for Publishers vocabulary I have defined a >>>direct >>> copy of the HTML5 markup design, e.g.: >>> >>> <p> 探険船シビリアコフ号の北氷洋航海中に撮影されたエピソード映画の中に、一頭 >>> の<ruby> >>> <rb>白熊</rb> >>> <rp>(</rp> >>> <rt>しろくま</rt> >>> <rp>)</rp> >>> </ruby>を射殺し、その子を生け捕る光景が記録されている。</p> >>> >>> Implementing this for HTML output is trivial--just copy to output. For >>>PDF >>> it's a little more work but can be done in XSL-FO. >>> >>> <ruby> and its ruby-specific subelements are specializations of <ph>. >>> >>> I am proposing this as a new domain simply to keep the vocabulary >>>isolated >>> so that non-Japanese-language documents need not include this markup. >>>But it >>> would equally appropriate to add it to the DITA base vocabulary as >>>well. >>> >>> The Ruby markup works as expected in most modern browsers and in at >>>least >>> iBooks for EPUB. I have not tested on Kindle Fire. >>> >>> The HTML5 specification for <ruby> is here: >>> >>> http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-ruby-element >>> >>> The D4P vocabulary module and HTML implementation for the Open Toolkit >>>is >>> available as part of the DITA for Publishers package, >>> dita4publishers.sourceforge.net. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Eliot >>> >>> -- >>> Eliot Kimber >>> Senior Solutions Architect >>> "Bringing Strategy, Content, and Technology Together" >>> Main: 512.554.9368 >>> www.reallysi.com >>> www.rsuitecms.com >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dita-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: dita-help@lists.oasis-open.org >>> >> > >-- >Eliot Kimber >Senior Solutions Architect >"Bringing Strategy, Content, and Technology Together" >Main: 512.554.9368 >www.reallysi.com >www.rsuitecms.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: dita-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org >For additional commands, e-mail: dita-help@lists.oasis-open.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dita-unsubscribe@lists.oasis-open.org For additional commands, e-mail: dita-help@lists.oasis-open.org
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