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Subject: Re: [dita] Groups - DITA TC Meeting Minutes 25 August 2015 uploaded


Actually, it uses the OASIS exchange table model, which is a proper subset
of the CALS model.

Cheers,

E.
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Eliot Kimber, Owner
Contrext, LLC
http://contrext.com




On 8/26/15, 9:39 AM, "Nancy Harrison" <dita@lists.oasis-open.org on behalf
of nharrison@infobridge-solutions.com> wrote:

>DITA doesn't use the CALS table model, though DocBook does. It does use
>the HTML Exchange Table model.
>
>
>In any case, I'll change the attribution.
>
>
>Nancy
>
>
>_____________
>Nancy Harrison
>Infobridge Solutions
>nharrison@infobridge-solutions.com
>
>
>On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:34 AM, Bob Thomas <bob.thomas@tagsmiths.com>
>wrote:
>
>I actually meant the CALS table model
><https://www.oasis-open.org/specs/a502.htm>. But, I think that I wrongly
>referred to it as the OASIS Open table model.
>
>On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:46 PM, Tom Magliery
><tom.magliery@justsystems.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Nancy, I did not say this. I think maybe it was Bob.
> 
>" tom; what about table model html exchange tagle model"
> 
>mag
> 
> 
>From: dita@lists.oasis-open.org [mailto:dita@lists.oasis-open.org] On
>Behalf Of Nancy Harrison
>Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 3:21 PM
>To: dita@lists.oasis-open.org
>Subject: [dita] Groups - DITA TC Meeting Minutes 25 August 2015 uploaded
>
> 
>Submitter's message
>ActionItems:
>1. David will submit Statement of Use today
>2. All TC voting members: Once ballot is opened, vote on moving spec to a
>candidate standard.
>3. Eliot, Robert, Chris, Michael, and Tom will review 'DITA from A to Z'
>article and provide feedback.
>4. Nancy will conven group to work on Committee Note
>
>=================================================
>Minutes of the OASIS DITA TC
>Tuesday, 25 August 2015
>Recorded by Nancy Harrison
>link to agenda for this meeting:
>https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/PreviousAgendas
>
>
>Regrets: none
>
>
>Standing Business
>=================
>https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201508/msg00136.html
>(Magliery, 18 August 2015)
>Proposed by Kris, seconded by Nancy, approved by TC
>
>
>Subcommittee Reports
>none
>
>Announcements
>None
>
>
>Business
>========
>1. Action items
>- 18 August 2015: Statements of use from the following TC members:
>Comtech Services, Inc. (Scott; completed)
>Contrext (Eliot; completed)
>Eberlein Consulting LLC (Kris; completed)
>IXIASOFT (Keith)
>JustSystems (Tom; completed)
>PTC (David) settled out
>Kris; all Statements of Use have been submitted, except from PTC
>David; we'll have that soon; I was just waiting till the wording had been
>nailed down.
>Kris; can you have it for today?
>David; yes
>
>
>2. Calendar for critical dates to enable DITA 1.3 to be released in 2015
>Schedule: July - December 2015
>Kris; we're on track for our dates, in fact a bit early, we had enough
>SoUs by friday; so we're ready to move to the next phase.
>[planning slides]
>- completed public review of spec draft
>- approved committe spec
>- passed 'material change' review
>- now today we'll request approval to vote on the committee spec, after
>which another OASIS TC ballot will be open for 7 days; then we'll submit
>the spec and supporting materials to Chet at OASIS for our candidate
>standard. He will take about 2 weeks to review it, then send it out for
>public review.
>Robert; at that point we can only change typos, if that, but nothing else.
>Don; if anything comes up at that part, we wait for 60 days after
>approval of 1.3, then issue errata.
>
>
>3. Statements of use
>- Statements of use for DITA 1.3
>https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA1.3StatementsOfUse
>- Interoperation -- and what it means in a DITA
>https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201508/msg00137.html (Chet
>Ensign, 20 August 2015 -- Contains almost entire thread)
>- OASIS definition of a statement of use:
>https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#dStatementUse
>- Chet's clarification of what we need to have in statements of use:
>https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/dita/201508/msg00128.html (Chet
>Ensign, 20 August 2015)
>Kris; note above our discussion of OASIS understanding of
>interoperability; also, Chet was very impressed with our 12 SoUs.
>
>
>4. Vote: Approve the statements of use that are listed at Statements of
>use for DITA 1.3
>Kris; if David is sure he can submit PTC's SoU today, let's include it.
>David; I can definitely have it today.
>Kris moved to approve the SoUs, Scott seconded, TC approved in consensus
>to approve SoUs including PTC's from David.
>
>
>5. Motion to approve CS01 as a Candidate OASIS standard:
>Kris moved to approve CS01 as a Candidate OASIS standard, using the
>following language:
>Motion: "As chair, I move to request that TC Administration hold a
>Special Majority Vote to approve submitting the Darwin Information Typing
>Architecture (DITA) Version 1.3, Committee Specification 01 at
>https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=56340&wg_ab
>brev=dita as a Candidate OASIS Standard."
>Motion was seconded by Don.
>Results: approved 13-0
>voting 'yes' 13 (Anderson, Day, Doherty, Eberlein, Harrison, Helfinstine,
>Hudson, Kimber, Magliery, Nitchie, Priestley, Sirois, Thomas)
>voting 'no' 0 
>
>
>6. Request a Special Majority Vote to Proceed to Candidate OASIS Standard
>Info needed for this request logged at the following URL:
>https://wiki.oasis-open.org/dita/DITA1.3TCAdminRequests#Request_a_Special_
>Majority_Vote_to_Proceed_to_Candidate_OASIS_Standard
>Two items that we need to review:
>Clear English-language summary of the specification
>kris; based thisson similar form to 1.2; basic abstract for spec, the
>list of new features
>everyone comfortable with this?
>robt; are we allowed to say rng is normative version of dtd files?
>kris; not sure, we couldn't say the spec trumped the grammar files. robt;
>let's check that after call
>tom; also troubleshooting elements, not just topic
>kris; added to list of enhancements
>Relationship of this specification to similar work
>kris; this is same as 1.2 language.
>tom; what about table model html exchange tagle model
>don; this is about role of usage, not just play of exact rel. of elements
>between 2 standards. DB borrows from html as well, but they say the same
>thing.
>kris; we'll go with these, don't know if anyone reads them, but
>mp; re html question, we do borrow markup diretly from html...
>robt; don't know what line is between
>don; look at this in arch view; dit is different enough to not be
>considered related.
>mp; seems strange, but this has no rel to any other standard
>don; if it worked for 1.2, will work n ow
>mp; I'll buy that
>kris; i agree
>
>7. DITA TC review of Adoption TC white paper:
>"DITA 1.3, from A to Z"
>https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=56342&wg_ab
>brev=dita-adoption
>Volunteers to review and provide feedback this week?
>- Kris; we need volunteers to review this.
>- Stan; just as an fyi, it's already reeased; it's not out for review.
>- Michael; is it not a part of the Adoption TC's policy to get DITA TC
>review of this kind of article?
>- Robert; I looked at it last night, and it has at least one technical
>error, plus one item that's seriously misleading.
>- Stan; most of Adoption TC members are also DITA TC members.
>- Michael; but for the previous article, Leigh White's key scopes
>article, we on the TC were specifically told by Joann NOT to review
>Adoption TC stuff before the Adoption TC had completed its review, so we
>assumed that we would at least be invited to review Adoption TC material
>after that TC had completed their internal review.
>- Stan; there's actually no formal connection between the two TCs, though
>we could create one.
>- Kris; Stan is technically right, there's no formal connection, and none
>is allowed by OASIS rules for TCs. OTOH, when Adoption TC was created, I
>was the formal liaison between the 2 TCs, and there was a clear
>uderstanding that any feature article or white paper with technical
>content about DITA needed to come to the DITA TC for review before
>publication. I've heard a lot of concern from DITA TC members with
>technical concerns about this whitepaper about the fact that this didn't
>happen with this whitepaper.
>- Keith; as the author of the paper, we [on Adoption TC] have had our own
>concerns with timeliness; it was written 2 months ago, and we felt the
>paper needed to come out asap.
>- Kris; historically, when we have reviewed Adoption TC white papers, we
>did it in a week
>- Michael; the last time we on the DITA TC provided feedback, we were
>waved off from providing input. That's why we've been waiting.
>- Keith; I see
>- Michael; So technical reviewers who weren't on both committees were
>locked out.
>- Robert; officially, we still haven't been asked to review the article;
>I only looked at it - unofficially - because I saw it was out.
>- Kris; as TC chair, I am asking for reviews to be posted asap.
>Wolunteers?
>[Eliot, Robert, Chris, Michael, and Tom volunteered]
>- Kris; as a reminder to our volunteer reviewers: the audience for this
>is adopters, not implementors, so it's not appropriate for it to be as
>detailed, or have the tone, as the specification. But of course, it needs
>to be accurate.
>- Keith; in terms of tone, we want to keep it brief, no longer than 2-3
>paragraphs for any description.
>ActionItem; volunteers will review the white paper asap and post reviews.
>
>
>8. DITA TC Committee Note: "Why are there three editions of DITA 1.3?"
>- Brainstorm of what we want this committee note to contain
>- Volunteers: Amber Swope, John Hunt ... More?
>- Kris; Paul ? has provided us with an OASIS template for an "OASIS
>Committee Note"; I built a draft, now we need authors for the note, Amber
>and John Hunt have stepped forward, but mostly for the all-inclusive
>(L&T) edition. We need authors who are interested in the other 2
>editions, but first. what are we trying to convey in this?
>- Michael; we need to overcome that irony that we have created a
>massively complex system in order to make it easier to use what was
>perceived as a massively complex system.
>- Don; We should use the model of a cookbook; make it easy to find your
>approach within a sea of possibilities.
>- Tom; we want to help people navigate thru the reams of gobbledygook
>making up an OASIS spec. The one line that might be useful to them, the
>one that says, e.g. 'this is part 2', is buried in OASIS spec language.
>- Kris; so should this document talk about number of features, number of
>elements in each edition, compare?
>- Michael; I still think that makes sense
>- Kris; anything else? Michael; I'll put you on the spot
>- Michael; do you want me to rearticulate it? add to doc?
>- Kris; either, but at least provide feedback about what needs to be in
>it.
>- Michael; I think people get it, It was either 1) we trim the spec down
>to where it makes someone happy, because it has just what they need, but
>it makes everyone else unhappy, or 2) do one massive spec, or 3) do it by
>audience, with clustering equated to 1) minimal spec, with just basics,
>2) base + techcomm, which were already in gen'l use, or 3) techcomm +
>l&t, those were the 3 mail audiences
>- Kris; one thing we could touch; one thing that came out of 1.2 was that
>we were separating technical communications specialization (c/t/r) from
>the base, That wasn't the case for 1.1 or 1.0, and it wasn't clearly
>articulated; this note might give us the opportunity to clarify and
>expand on that decision.
>- Nancy; should the note include some historical context?
>- Eliot; I'd like to see a statement emphasizing that c/t/r are not base,
>theyre specializations.
>- Don; as an fyi, the first developerworks article on DITA talked about
>how specializations coud be put to use; we could go back to that and get
>it into this document, to illustrate how DITA is very versatile.
>- Kris; I think it would be wise to include historical context, also give
>us a chance to move forward. Do I have any additional volunteers?
>[nancy volunteered]
>AI; nancy will convene group to start work
>
>- Don; being able to express these thoughts/concepts on dita.xml.org
><http://dita.xml.org>, and have DITA thought leaders involved in it would
>be very useful; should it be part of blogs in
>dita.xml.org <http://dita.xml.org>?
>- Kris; that would be a great use of dita.xml.org <http://dita.xml.org>,
>but we need to get this committee note authored in sept/oct time frame.
>we can't afford to allow any expansion to scope of this, in order to have
>it in the time frame.
>- Tom; I'm not sure I'll be able to write any content content for it, but
>I want to be involved in the group working on it, and maybe I can provide
>some graphiccs..
>- Kris; graphics would be particularly useful for this document; this
>needs to be a very tightly focused message, plus it needs to be out on
>time. Bob, can I ask you to help with stylesheets for this?
>- Bob; yes
>
>
>
>9. Campaigning for the DITA 1.3 vote:
>- Ballot info for DITA 1.2:
>https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/voting/ballot.php?id=1968
>- Spreadsheet of OASIS voting members who will vote to approve DITA 1.3:
>http://tools.oasis-open.org/version-control/browse/wsvn/dita/administratio
>n/voting-OASIS-members-August-2015.xlsx
>o The spreadsheet includes e-mail addresses, whether a company uses DITA,
>whether the company is a TC member, and whether the company voted Yes on
>DITA 1.2 
>Kris; we're looking for a campaign coordinater for this effort. Maybe
>Tom?? 
>
>
>Other:
>Kris; I'd like to announce that Tom will be taking on the role as an
>additional TC sec'y, given there's so much going on.
>Don; it makes us look good, that we're so busy.
>Kris; I will also try to share the workload a bit.
>
>
>
>12 noon ET Close 
>
>
>-- Ms. Nancy Harrison
>Document Name: DITA TC Meeting Minutes 25 August 2015
><https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/dita/document.php?document_
>id=56348>
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>________________________________________
>
>Submitter: Ms. Nancy Harrison
>Group: OASIS Darwin Information Typing Architecture (DITA) TC
>Folder: Meeting Notes
>Date submitted: 2015-08-25 15:20:34
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