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- From: Jennifer Scalf <jscalf@pegasus.rutgers.edu>
- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:58:55 -0500 (EST)
Hello All, I am brand new to this list and if this question has been asked a millions times I'm sorry, but... Could someone point me to a very newbie installation guide for docbooks that will explain what .dtd, .ent, .gml, .whatever files are so that I can get through what seems to me to be a mess of files and just start using docbooks faster? I have looked at many different guides including the one that was made into a book, I have gotten confused because some say that .ent should be changed to .gml and on top of that I have .ent files located all over after installing a number of packages, docbook-3.1-3.src.rpm, stylesheets-1.54.13rh-5mlx.noarch.rpm, openjade-1.3.1-4 -whatever I read were the correct packages. It's a mess. So I would like to start over. I am installing docbooks on a Redhat 7.3 Linux box so that I can document a few ongoing projects. I believe I will be using the sgml. Has anyone done this? Is there a good guide just for this? Thanks so much, Jennifer
- From: Gisbert Amm <gia@webde-ag.de>
- To: 'Jennifer Scalf' <jscalf@pegasus.rutgers.edu>
- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:18:20 +0100
> Could someone point me to a very newbie installation guide > for docbooks > that will explain what .dtd, .ent, .gml, .whatever files are > so that I can > get through what seems to me to be a mess of files and just > start using > docbooks faster? > So I would like to start over. I am installing docbooks on a > Redhat 7.3 > Linux box so that I can document a few ongoing projects. I > believe I will > be using the sgml. Perhaps Dave Pawsons FAQ at http://www.dpawson.co.uk/docbook/ might be helpful for you, e.g. http://www.dpawson.co.uk/docbook/reference.html#d12e1413 Regards Gisbert Amm
- From: Bob Stayton <bobs@sco.com>
- To: Hanno Kortekamp <hkortekamp@gmx.net>
- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:37:46 -0800
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:54:59PM +0100, Hanno Kortekamp wrote: > How do I remove the last dot in chapter and section enumeration (2.4 > instead of 2.4.) in toc, list of tables and list of figures. For titels > it works fine to change language file, but that doesn't work for toc. The stylesheet parameter 'autotoc.label.separator' supplies that dot. Define that parameter as empty and the dot will go away. -- Bob Stayton 400 Encinal Street Publications Architect Santa Cruz, CA 95060 Technical Publications voice: (831) 427-7796 The SCO Group fax: (831) 429-1887 email: bobs@sco.com
- From: Jennifer Scalf <jscalf@pegasus.rutgers.edu>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:58:43 -0500 (EST)
Thank you for your help. It really came down to RTFM. But I just needed to know the right one :) Jennifer On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Jennifer Scalf wrote: > > Hello All, > > I am brand new to this list and if this question has been asked a millions > times I'm sorry, but... > > Could someone point me to a very newbie installation guide for docbooks > that will explain what .dtd, .ent, .gml, .whatever files are so that I can > get through what seems to me to be a mess of files and just start using > docbooks faster? > > I have looked at many different guides including the one that was made > into a book, I have gotten confused because some say that .ent should be > changed to .gml and on top of that I have .ent files located all over > after installing a number of packages, docbook-3.1-3.src.rpm, > stylesheets-1.54.13rh-5mlx.noarch.rpm, openjade-1.3.1-4 -whatever I read > were the correct packages. It's a mess. > > So I would like to start over. I am installing docbooks on a Redhat 7.3 > Linux box so that I can document a few ongoing projects. I believe I will > be using the sgml. > > Has anyone done this? Is there a good guide just for this? > > Thanks so much, > Jennifer >
- From: Frédéric Glorieux <fglorieux_aweb@mailhub.isdnet.net>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:01:08 +0000
Thanks a lot, very nice of you. May I continue (in spite of my English)? This will be only semantic questions, usually effect of ignorance, in hope they are not out of subject. > Since DocBook is about software documentation I understand the goal, but you also know that not specific software project prefers use docbook than other DTDs (TEI ?), for some reasons wich are - your reactivity - software support - your xsl tools - all your well structured types like bibliography, index, footnotes ... You also understand that users could be glad to have expressed support of their needs (a named element), to stay close to the generic tools, instead of schema redefinition or proprietary attributes. That's why I will try to defend my opinion, in the idea of _ software documentation_. > I often use a legalnotice as a > kind of status in *info elements (with an appropriate role). There's > also an attribute to show the publication status. To my opinion, <status/> make a nice type with <abstract/> and <audience/> to qualify a section (%descobj.class; ???). Example <section> <title>Advanced functionalities</title> <abstract>Description of the software advanced ... </abstract> <audience>Power users</audience> <status>This is only a draft ...</status> (in this partial example, <caution/>, <important/>, <note/>, <tip/> or <warning/> may be used with precised instructions to redactors in replacement of a <status/>) This could be of general interest. About an inline structure <concept/>, <samp/> or <definition/> > You can use indexterm to mark index terms, but DocBook doesn't have > the notion of an inline concept. The catch-all for things like this is > phrase with a role attribute. > Programlisting or screen or literallayout are common choices. This is of course the specific software understanding of example. To express more precisely my idea, is this correct? <para> <phrase role="definition"><xref linkend="schema"/>A <phrase role="concept" id="schema">Schema<indexterm><primary>Schema</primary></indexterm></concept> give a structure to a document.</phrase> For example, <phrase role="example"><xref linkend="schema"/>a book is an ordered collection of chapters</phrase>. </para> In replacement of this lighter tagging <para> <definition ref="schema">A <concept id="schema">Schema</concept> give a structure to a document.</definition> For example, <example>a book is an ordered collection of chapters</example>. </para> Procession expectations: concepts are _not_ suppressed in the primary text flow, they contribute to the population of an index with related definitions and examples. If no id/ref provided, definitions and examples could be automatically related to a concept in the same block. I'm afraid this is not well structured enough to be of general interest. But perhaps someone else have better ideas.
- From: Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:01:59 +0100
Aurelio Bignoli writes: > Henrik Motakef writes: > > james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> writes: > > > > > is anyone using docbook to encode documentation for clos-based systems? > > > > The SBCL folks use docbook for their documentation, maybe one of them > > can help. > > CLISP documentation is also maintained in Docbook format. Sam Steingold, one of the maintainer of CLISP, asked me to add some more details: CLISP uses DocBook/XML for its implementation notes. See <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes.html> <http://clisp.cons.org/impnotes/> <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/doc/> CLOCC/cllib/clhs.lisp generates DocBook/XML entities, see <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clisp/clisp/doc/clhs-ent.xml> <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clocc/etc/clhs-ent.xml> <http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/clocc/src/cllib/clhs.lisp>
- From: Aurelio Bignoli <a.bignoli@computer.org>
- To: Henrik Motakef <henrik.motakef@web.de>
- Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:34:06 +0100
Henrik Motakef writes: > james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> writes: > > > is anyone using docbook to encode documentation for clos-based systems? > > The SBCL folks use docbook for their documentation, maybe one of them > can help. CLISP documentation is also maintained in Docbook format.
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:27:43 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Tobias Reif <tobiasreif@pinkjuice.com> was heard to say: | It should be allowed for to the control key element to be empty: | | <keycombo action="simul"> | <keycap function="control"/> | <keycap>h</keycap> | </keycombo> | | So the change in the DTD would merely be to allow keycap to be empty, | and add an attribute. - From the RFE: What exactly? That is the question. At first I thought you were proposing only Control, Shift, Meta, and Alt. Though I suppose Command and Apple need to be in there as well. I've forgotten what the meta keys were on a 3270 and a VT100/220. Not to mention the Tectronix displays that I heard of but never used. * enter * alt (meta) * shift * ctrl * "arrow keys": up, right, down, left * escape * backspace * tab * space * delete * F1-12 perhaps also * help * page up / down * command-key (Mac) [etc?] We need to really nail these down. What's missing from this list: control, shift, meta, alt, command, apple, fn, esc, f1..f24, printscreen, sysreq, pause, break, windows, menu, backspace, home, pgup, pgdn, end, tab, backtab, capslock, up, down, left, right, ins, del And how does this proposal deal with double-shifted keys? What's the right markup in this proposal for "Ctrl-Alt-Backspace" and "Alt-Shift-I"? Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | To the man who is afraid http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | everything rustles.--Sophocles Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+bye/OyltUcwYWjsRAm2RAJ94/CcTV1m4V39thc8dYuxO28fX5gCdFLA6 /VuPX4Vbvh7F403ZA/PPCsI= =szMt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: Joachim Ziegler <ziegler@mpi-sb.mpg.de>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:30:23 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Joachim Ziegler <ziegler@mpi-sb.mpg.de> was heard to say: | Daniel Veillard wrote: |> Strange ... I don't know DocBook DTD, before saying it's a libxml2 |> bug |> I would like a full example. But please check first with a recent version |> 2.4.12 is really old (current is 2.5.4). |> http://xmlsoft.org/bugs.html |> | | Sorry, but this is hard to do for me. I would have to ask our central | services group for updating the software and it would take weeks | before they would react :-) | | The only thing I did was inserting Bob's proposed extension line as | the first line in the local part of the DTD: | | <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> | <!DOCTYPE book | PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook XML V4.2//EN" | "/KM/usr/ziegler/DocBook/DocBookXML4.2/docbookx.dtd" | [ | | <!-- allow PDF as attribute value of 'format' in element imagedata --> | <!ENTITY % local.notation.class "| PDF"> That's not sufficient. All of the items in the notation class have to be notations. Add this to your customization layer: <!NOTATION PDF SYSTEM "http://www.adobe.com/whatever/seems/appropriate/"> and then things should work better. Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Reason's last step is the http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | recognition that there are an Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | infinite number of things which | are beyond it.--Pascal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+byheOyltUcwYWjsRAgMbAJ4vIxZc+HLcakCE04PvKO5Y8uQpJwCfeZXX Gy+cRtEoyVrn4BHxYlbE0rU= =M00Y -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: Henrik Motakef <henrik.motakef@web.de>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:32:23 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Henrik Motakef <henrik.motakef@web.de> was heard to say: | why. Incidentally, I recently started to think about extending docbook | to be a better fit for CL documentation, but a) I don't know if it's a I think CL documentation fits squarely in DocBook's problem domain. If DocBook's not rich enough to document CLOS (or CLisp, or maybe I misunderstand something), please tell us how and why. Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | 'Heartless Cynics,' the young men http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | shout, / Blind to the world of Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | Fact without; / 'Silly Dreamers,' | the old men grin / Deaf to the | world of Purpose within.--W. H. | Auden -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+byjXOyltUcwYWjsRAki4AJ42V07zYOlrbdL43gXuNjC9Wj3wzgCfRWLq HnqKnE78RAw15Zio7ZkwB7E= =ODjZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:34:33 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Ben Hratshorne <docbook@green.hartshorne.net> was heard to say: | I started out using SGML, but havn't really done anything terribly fancy | yet (except suppress <p> tags within <ul> tags in HTML output). If | there was any time to change, it'd be now. | | Comments? Switch to XML. If you avoid XML-only features, you get access to all the XML tools this way and all the legacy SGML tools will still work if you need them. Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | There is nothing which human http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | courage will not undertake, and Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | little that human patience will | not endure.--Dr. Johnson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+bylZOyltUcwYWjsRAlvBAKCf+OG/Xs6/EZXMIZ3rPMdDXH9FOwCgsiAp c36BXQMLQJESheHhDoqCGuE= =oev1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:41:30 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Ben Hratshorne <docbook@green.hartshorne.net> was heard to say: | On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 04:32:30PM +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: [...] |> You can (I do) use DSSSL for XML documents. The choice of a markup |> meta-language is partly independant of the choice of the stylesheet language. | | I was confused by this. Though I understood the difference between | SGML/XML and DSSSL/XSL (you're right it was a typo), I thought that if | you use SGML, you must use DSSSL, and if you use XML, you must use XSL. Nope. XML is a subset of SGML. So SGML tools will accept XML input with a little work. (As long as you avoid using namespaces, or use them with some control over the prefixes used.) | I was unaware you could use DSSSL with XML. Is the converse true - can | you use XSL with SGML? There's no technical reason why you couldn't. XSL is a tree-to-tree transformation language and SGML documents are certainly trees. But I don't know of any XSLT processor that has a general-purpose SGML parser on the front end. I think xsltproc has some heuristics for accepting (some?) DocBook SGML documents. | I also could not find a good description of equivelancies between XML | and SGML in terms of how to crunch documents, how to use entities, and | so on. I learned by looking at examples from the linux documentation | project. XML is SGML without the features that were hard to implement or required DTD processing to handle: tag omission, short ref, short tag, etc. | For example, I know that the first line (where you cite the DTD to which | you are conforming) is different for XML vs. SGML, but that is about the | extent of the documentation I could find for the difference. Uhm, the <!DOCTYPE line is basically the same except that a SYSTEM identifier is required for XML and optional for SGML. | But... at this point I have one (mostly) complete manual in SGML. Any | tips on what I might need to change to switch it over, besides the first | line? I think the only tricky part is that I have a couple of | conditionally compiled sections: | | <!DOCTYPE book PUBLIC "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V3.1//EN" [ | | <!-- change INCLUDE below to IGNORE and none of the sections marked | %internal / versoin2 will be included when you compile the document. | --> | <!entity % internal "INCLUDE"> | <!entity % version2 "IGNORE"> | | ]> | | <book> | ... | ... | <![%version2; [ | <section id="installtunnel"> | ... | ... | ]> Yeah, the marked sections are going to be the hardest thing to convert. You'll have to switch to profiling of some sort. See the effectivity attributes and Jirka's excellent work on the profiling stylesheets. Basically, you'll have to change your example to: <book> ... ... <section id="installtunnel" condition="version2"> ... ... </section> | I have also made a few changes to | /usr/share/sgml/docbook/utils-0.6.12/docbook-utils.dsl. I didn't want | to figure out how to create a proper customization layer so I just | changed that one. Ack! You'll regret that when the next DSSSL release comes out. (Any day now.) | Will those have to be completely redone in XSL? Though I conceptually | understand the XML/XSL/DSSSL thing now, I'm still fuzzy on | implementation details. Yes, you'll have to redo them. Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Resist the urge to hurry; it will http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | only slow you down--Bruce Eckel Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+byr6OyltUcwYWjsRAkEtAJ0QHDkYrgLnY138OIvc/gxARe/BswCfdsDO HN+Lkx4S4e/TfV39Ni1BWVM= =UqNC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook mailing list <docbook@lists.oasis-open.org>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:42:35 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / "Robert P. J. Day" <rpjday@mindspring.com> was heard to say: | i just noticed that the procedure element cannot be a child | of a para, as can other lists. any reason for this? it seems | like this would be useful if a procedure should be considered | part of its enclosing paragraph. just curious. I don't recall consciously deciding to exclude it. File an RFE, I guess. Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Debugging is 99% complete most of http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | the time--Fred Brooks, jr. Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+bys6OyltUcwYWjsRArr6AJ46PHhkOEOfsuL8tS0wEO9OMYHZywCcDMLR QZcdkORZp+SiGscvqf4mLKQ= =0jL+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook <docbook@lists.oasis-open.org>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:49:20 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Stefan Seefeld <seefeld@sympatico.ca> was heard to say: [...] | http://synopsis.sf.net | | , but up to now I have not been able to represent | the result adequately in docbook, so the tool only | provides formatters for other formats such as html, | texinfo, etc. What do you find lacking. Digging through the framed documentation provided at the SF site, I'm not sure what part you can't represent in DocBook. | I'v been looking into the available docbook markup | elements, but either the right elements are missing | or they are not really suitable for the purpose: | | I'd like to document types, variables, constants, | functions, etc. But while some of them seem to be | supported (there are elements for 'classsynopsis' | and similar), others are not. Here is a list of elements | I miss. I'd very much appreciate if others could either | confirm that there is nothing semantically similar, or | how I could document these things instead: | | * 'type' seems to name types, not describe them. What | about a 'typesynopsis' to actually define specific types ? Can you show me an example of what you'd like to put in a type synopsis? | * same for 'variable': what about a 'variablesynopsis' (or 'varsynopsis') ? | And, while we are at it: what is special about a 'field' | (docbook's name for 'member variables') ? If there was a | generic 'variable' element, couldn't 'fieldname' be considered | a specialized 'variable' (or then 'varname') ? I suppose. The funcsynopsis stuff was one of DocBook's few forays into modeling. After years of requests, we built a classsynopsis element to model object oriented languages in a similar way. As a general rule, we've tried to avoid modeling in DocBook and there are days when I wish we hadn't done either funcsynopsis or classsynopsis :-) | * again for 'constant': a 'constsynopsis' to contain constant definition What sort of definition? | * a 'modulesynopsis' to define 'contexts', 'scopes', 'packages' or | whatever this may be called in the various programming languages There's already an RFE for package markup. And a longstanding action item on me to investigate. The problem is that there many different, conflicting notions about what a package is. Examples of what you have in mind would be useful. Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Truth lies within a little http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | uncertain compass, but error is Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | immense. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+byzQOyltUcwYWjsRAuK7AJ90HeadJLkb8ufj69+9PljiGGWzGgCfeuzj y66lpcMCJ9wejZFB1UpZjyw= =sH0Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: Elliotte Rusty Harold <elharo@metalab.unc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:51:42 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Elliotte Rusty Harold <elharo@metalab.unc.edu> was heard to say: | At 2:02 PM -0500 2/12/03, Daniel Veillard wrote: | |>It's rather libxml2 now comply to the XInclude requirement of adding such |>an xml:base at the inclusion point (when the included resource is in |>a different path ...) | | I'm looking at this for my XIncluder right now, and the requirement | seems a little stronger to me. They don't even have to be in a | different path. Suppose for example, | http://www.example.com/docs/parent.xml includes | http://www.example.com/docs/child.xml | | These two documents have different base URIs even though they have the | same "path". No. The base URI in both cases is: http://www.example.com/docs/ The base URI is not the same as the "document URI". Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | All our foes are mortal.--Valéry http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+by1eOyltUcwYWjsRAqoPAJ9nVf4aRxijKZG0YwNEHO1wlCZquwCcDTys wcSFwZ+7k/B1xfg9BOXgjCY= =Nx5m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook <docbook@lists.oasis-open.org>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:52:12 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Rune Enggaard Lausen <rune@enggaard-lausen.dk> was heard to say: | I noticed that in Slides 3.1.0 based on Simplified DocBook, the | speakernotes element is added to local.divcomponent.mix and | local.component.mix, such that one can write speakernotes for each | slide. | | In Slides Full, speakernotes are only available in the slides element. | | Is this an oversight, or is there a reason for this? Oversight. File an RFE for me, please? Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | The perfect man has no method; or http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | rather the best of methods, which Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | is the method of | no-method.--Shih-T'ao -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+by18OyltUcwYWjsRAuSOAKCwP90jQTTtLSstj/NZwz5VTHuouwCbBOvf NsQcM2NXYrSyijlOSXYdLsM= =4uZY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:52:53 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 [ Follow-ups to docbook-apps, please ] / Hanno Kortekamp <hkortekamp@gmx.net> was heard to say: | How do I remove the last dot in chapter and section enumeration (2.4 | instead of 2.4.) in toc, list of tables and list of figures. For titels | it works fine to change language file, but that doesn't work for toc. That sounds like a bug. Uhm. Can you file a bug report? Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | A life, admirable at first sight, http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | may have cost so much in imposed Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | liabilities, chores and | self-abasement, that, brilliant | though it appears, it cannot be | considered other than a failure. | Another, which seems to have | misfired, is in reality a | triumphant success, because it has | cost so little.--Henry De | Montherlant -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+by2lOyltUcwYWjsRAvfuAJ9S/8Mc9SJ811y1ko+UPLYx+b2odwCeNqth fyIH34XdRBrO+zVDxBO02nE= =MoBu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:53:34 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / Bob Stayton <bobs@sco.com> was heard to say: | On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:54:59PM +0100, Hanno Kortekamp wrote: |> How do I remove the last dot in chapter and section enumeration (2.4 |> instead of 2.4.) in toc, list of tables and list of figures. For titels |> it works fine to change language file, but that doesn't work for toc. | | The stylesheet parameter 'autotoc.label.separator' | supplies that dot. Define that parameter as empty | and the dot will go away. Okay then. Just forget what I said a moment ago :-) Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Life is pain...anyone who tells http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | you differently is selling Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | something.--Wesley (The Princess | Bride) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+by3OOyltUcwYWjsRAtYQAJ9Zg6A1N8YTWhVDv9ws/QsYQP9wOwCfUcey cJ7dhJlBBUM7HIcfJm7yOH8= =5EGu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: Daniel Veillard <veillard@redhat.com>
- To: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:57:30 -0500
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 07:41:30AM -0500, Norman Walsh wrote: > | I was unaware you could use DSSSL with XML. Is the converse true - can > | you use XSL with SGML? > > There's no technical reason why you couldn't. XSL is a tree-to-tree > transformation language and SGML documents are certainly trees. But I > don't know of any XSLT processor that has a general-purpose SGML > parser on the front end. I think xsltproc has some heuristics for > accepting (some?) DocBook SGML documents. Hum, no don't use that, it's really broken. It may work for some really simple document but will break for anything non-trivial. You need a real SGML parser to handle SGML. It's better to convert the SGML documents to XML with an SGML tool and then process that XML. Daniel -- Daniel Veillard | Red Hat Network https://rhn.redhat.com/ veillard@redhat.com | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit http://xmlsoft.org/ http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/
- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- To: docbook@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:19:27 -0500
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 / james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de> was heard to say: | i'm new to dockbook. would you be able to give me a pointer to something (even | a specific part of one of the numerous docbook primers) which describes how | best to describe an oo-based api (if not specifically a clos-based | implementation) in docbook. is there such an introduction? i've started to | read through what i can find on the net, but i've not yet found anything which | left me feeling other than that i'd be starting from scratch. There's not much introductory documentation, but the place to start is probably the description of classsynopsis: http://docbook.org/tdg/en/html/classsynopsis.html Be seeing you, norm - -- Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | Sarchasm: The gulf between the http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | author of sarcastic wit and the Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | person who doesn't get it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> iD8DBQE+bzPfOyltUcwYWjsRAroaAJ9ZWkmGT16PGY9SJhaadm0me4JIwACfQeCX B4a1W1suiWoywUH6UxbesCc= =d7M9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- From: james anderson <james.anderson@setf.de>
- To: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:45:19 +0100
mr walsh, i'm new to dockbook. would you be able to give me a pointer to something (even a specific part of one of the numerous docbook primers) which describes how best to describe an oo-based api (if not specifically a clos-based implementation) in docbook. is there such an introduction? i've started to read through what i can find on the net, but i've not yet found anything which left me feeling other than that i'd be starting from scratch. ... Norman Walsh wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > / Henrik Motakef <henrik.motakef@web.de> was heard to say: > | why. Incidentally, I recently started to think about extending docbook > | to be a better fit for CL documentation, but a) I don't know if it's a > > I think CL documentation fits squarely in DocBook's problem domain. If > DocBook's not rich enough to document CLOS (or CLisp, or maybe I > misunderstand something), please tell us how and why. > > Be seeing you, > norm > > - -- > Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com> | 'Heartless Cynics,' the young men > http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/ | shout, / Blind to the world of > Chair, DocBook Technical Committee | Fact without; / 'Silly Dreamers,' > | the old men grin / Deaf to the > | world of Purpose within.--W. H. > | Auden > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.7 <http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/> > > iD8DBQE+byjXOyltUcwYWjsRAki4AJ42V07zYOlrbdL43gXuNjC9Wj3wzgCfRWLq > HnqKnE78RAw15Zio7ZkwB7E= > =ODjZ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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