Meeting Minutes -- Feb 6, 2008

["Dick Hamilton" <rlhamilton@frii.com>]

DocBook Publishers Sub-Committee
Meeting Minutes -- February 6, 2008

Agenda:
1. Roll call

Attendees:
  Jim Earley
  Keith Fahlgren
  Richard Hamilton
  John Hanratty
  Scott Hudson (chair)
  John Pedersen
  Norm Walsh

2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting.

Accepted

3. Next meeting: 1st Wed of every month
4. Review of the agenda.

Add DocBook 5.0 update from Norm

5. Review of open action items
  a. Norm to delete docbook-publishers@sourceforge.net list
Continue
  b. Norm to help set up the RFE tracker on sourceforge
     to track our enhancements.
Continue: Keith will take over this Action Item
  c. Scott to also ping folks at Mulberry, since they
     worked quite a bit on the NLM (Journal) schemas.
Continue
  d. All:   look for good examples of dialog and poetry
Continue
  e. Scott: put query out on list for ideas on handling dialog;
            especially identifying speakers.
Continue 
  f. Scott: Send email to sourceforge list and ask
            people to subscribe to the OASIS list.
Done
  g. Gary:  Look for additional examples of legal citations.
Done
  h. All:   Try out publishers.rnc[1]:
Continue


6. Proposed Roadmap
a. Identify elements that should be part of Core DocBook
b. Identify potential "modules" for elements currently part
   of DocBook but belonging to a particular domain.
c. Recommend Core DocBook and proposed modules to DocBook TC
d. Identify general publishing needs not currently met by DocBook
e. Identify additional specific domains within publishing industry
   that may need specific modules.
f. develop RFEs from identified needs

Group has completed a-f.

g. develop DocBook v5.0 schema enhancements from RFEs

Scott: request for further domains of interest.
       once RFE tracker is in place, he will ask community.

h. submit schema enhancements for approval to DocBook TC

7. Discuss legal citation content models (submitted by Gary Hoffman)

Scott sent out email from Gary (per Action Item)
Gary found 6 standard formats.

Scott asked: do we want a single model or separate types with separate
content models?
Keith: would like one; group agrees.

Discussion concerning how to manage the many different ways
of making legal citations.  At least two major dimensions:
- Types of citations (e.g., cases, books and treatises, articles,
  constitutions, and statutes)
- Source of citations (both national differences and intra-national
  differences; e.g., U.S. State vs. U.S. Federal law)

Some discussion about whether to use a mechanism like class attributes
to define different types of citations within a single model, or to have
different models.  Consensus is to have a single, open-ended model,
understanding that it will need to be extended for some applications
and locations.

What to call base citation element?  Modify citation element or make
new element?  Straw poll of team, which unanimously agrees that new
element with a name like "legalcitation" would be best, rather than
overloading citation.

Norm: suggests we put out something as soon as we have something
reasonable.

8. Norm Walsh status on DocBook v5.0

Public review will begin shortly.  Will be a 60 day review.  If
no comments come in that require change, then standard could be
acted on by group as early as May, but might take until June or
July.  Norm suggests the publishing group not wait for the 5.0
process to complete before distributing proposals.

x. Review of Requests for Enhancement

NEW ACTIONS:
Scott: Will send link to sourceforge modules
John:  Will look up citation conventions in UK.  He will look
       for possible overlaps.
All:   look for more examples of citations
All:   Submit additional agenda items for next meeting.
Norm:  Add Scott and Keith as administrators in sourceforge
- Done (fast work, Norm:)