Groups - DocBook Publishers SC modified

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DocBook Publishers SC has been modified by Keith Fahlgren

Date:  Wednesday, 12 November 2008
Time:  12:00pm - 01:00pm PT

Event Description:
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Participant Code: 16948621

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(and prospective members) of the subcommittee.

The DocBook SC uses irc://freenode/dbpub for additional
conference features, such as exchanging URIs, providing out-of-band comments, and other aspects of the teleconference, so please join us there if at all possible.

Agenda:
1. Roll call
2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting.
3. Next meeting: December 3th, 2008
4. Review of the agenda.
5. Review of open action items
a. Scott: Render new spec document
b. Scott: Summarize the main justifications for the removal of elements & modular approach (simplified markup, no technical elements, favor generated over manual TOC and IX).
c. Keith to formalize the collection of examples, mark them up, and test against them for dialog and poetry.
d. All: look for good examples of dialog and poetry & submit to Keith
e. All: look for good examples of legal markup
f. Scott: Ask on DocBook list if we should include common.linking.attributes, based on """Common Linking Attributes
g. All: Review specification draft when it becomes available.
h. All: Review the Dublin Core RELAX modeling Scott has implemented in SVN.
i. Scott: Include the exact number of excluded and included elements from core DocBook in the Spec document
j. Scott: Include non-normative usage examples of newly created elements in the Spec document
k. Scott: Create online ballot for spec voting
6. Proposed Roadmap
a. Identify elements that should be part of Core DocBook
b. Identify potential "modules" for elements currently part of DocBook but belonging to a particular domain.
c. Recommend Core DocBook and proposed modules to DocBook TC
d. Identify general publishing needs not currently met by DocBook
e. Identify additional specific domains within publishing industry that may need specific modules.
f. develop RFEs from identified needs
g. develop DocBook v5.0 schema enhancements from RFEs
h. submit schema enhancements for approval to DocBook TC
8. Review Norm's Concerns
10. Review of Requests for Enhancement
a. Proposed "drama" element for containing plays and other dramatic scripts

Minutes:

1. Roll call

Present: Scott Hudson, Keith Fahlgren, Chris Kaefer (prospective member), Dick Hamilton 
Regrets:  Jim Earley
Absent: John Pedersen, Norm Walsh

2. Accepting the minutes[1] of the previous meeting.

PASSES

3. Next meeting: December 3th, 2008

No objections

4. Review of the agenda.

5. Review of open action items
a. Scott: Render new spec document
CONTINUE

b. Scott: Summarize the main justifications for the removal of elements & modular approach (simplified markup, no technical elements, favor generated over manual TOC and IX).

COMPLETE (in draft)

c. Keith to formalize the collection of examples, mark them up, and test against them for dialog and poetry along with collecting markup examples from list[3].

CONTINUE

d. All: look for good examples of dialog and poetry & submit to Keith

CONTINUE

e. All: look for good examples of legal markup

CONTINUE; STALLING

f. Scott: Ask on DocBook list if we should include common.linking.attributes, based on """Common Linking Attributes

CONTINUE

g. All: Review specification draft when it becomes available.

CONTINUE

h. All: Review the Dublin Core RELAX modeling Scott has implemented in SVN.

CONTINUE

i. Scott: Include the exact number of excluded and included elements from core DocBook in the Spec document

COMPLETE

j. Scott: Include non-normative usage examples of newly created elements in the Spec document

COMPLETE
 
k. Scott: Create online ballot for spec voting

CONTINUE

6. Proposed Roadmap
a. Identify elements that should be part of Core DocBook
b. Identify potential "modules" for elements currently part of DocBook but belonging to a particular domain.
c. Recommend Core DocBook and proposed modules to DocBook TC
d. Identify general publishing needs not currently met by DocBook
e. Identify additional specific domains within publishing industry that may need specific modules.
f. develop RFEs from identified needs
g. develop DocBook v5.0 schema enhancements from RFEs
h. submit schema enhancements for approval to DocBook TC

8. Review Norm's Concerns[2]

Norm is concerned about our explicit inclusion of Dublin Core metadata. One concern is that there's now a pair of elements (DocBook and DC) to represent some data. 

Keith thinks that Norm isn't valuing Dublin Core's widespread adoption enough.

Scott notes that Dublin Core helps our explicit goal of interoperability & searchability.

Scott notes that Dublin Core is as pervasive as SVG or MathML (both included)

Dick is concerned that the stylesheets will become more complex with OR-ing on author|dc:creator everywhere. Keith thinks that that's about the same as current DocBook5->DocBook4 normalization. Scott notes that the Publishers SC has already accepted responsibility for stylesheet customizations. Explicitly, we're only changing _metadata_ inside the  block (not  occurring elsewhere).

Consensus is that we continue with the existing plan of explicit DC support. Happy to debate with Norm in the future...

Another issue Norm raises is concerns about nested sections inside sidebars, but the SC has consensus on the requirement for them from the industry.

10. Review of Requests for Enhancement
a. Proposed "drama" element for containing plays and other dramatic scripts [3]

Scott believes there was consensus on the list in favor of "drama".
Keith is happy with "drama" if it's more generic.
Keith is concerned with adding too many elements based purely on the speculation of need among publishers.
Scott notes that the new model would allow generic elements with @role 

Folks on the list raised questions about  or  & chunking drama. At what level should it be chunked?
"""Divisions, which divide books into parts
Components, which divide books or divisions into chapters
Sections, which subdivide components"""[4]

Scott notes that including snippets of a play in a book is probably more likely than marking up an entire play.

Chris discusses the chapter-level markup for "play" that exists in his content.

11. New Action Item
a. Scott to create a simpler summary of changes to content models and move verbose tables to appendix (per Norm in [2])
b. All to review [4] and Scott to suggest chunking of drama on DocBook list

[1] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/docbook-publishers/event.php?event_id=17772&day=1222855200
[2] http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/docbook-publishers/email/archives/200810/msg00007.html
[3] http://www.mail-archive.com/docbook@lists.oasis-open.org/msg04904.html
[4] http://docbook.org/tdg5/en/html/ch02.html#ch02-physdiv


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