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Subject: Re: minutes
/ Michael Sabrio <rms@fpk.hp.com> was heard to say: | I don't think the comparison with 4.0//EN//XML will help. What I'd like, | I guess, is 4.0//EN//XML with 4.0//EN//SGML, but that's what's hard. I'm not sure I understand. You're going to get a 4.0//EN (you have beta1 now :-) and you're going to get a 4.0//EN//XML. I thought it would be helpful to try validating a bunch of your documents against 4.0//EN//XML as a way of seeing how bad 5.0 is going to be. Does that not make sense? | How would you describe where IndexTerms can no longer appear? Broadly, outside of *Info elements in places where #PCDATA is not allowed. But that's too broad a net, I've actually added them in a bunch of places. Basically, run your docs through 4.0//EN//XML and let me know where they should be added :-) | Here are | the kinds of places I'd expect IndexTerms to be invalid in 5.0: between | chapters, between sections. Really? <chapter>...</chapter> <indexterm>...</indexterm> <chapter>...</chapter> Where is that indexterm? On the last page of the first chapter!? | What about inside Titles? Yes. Anywhere that #PCDATA occurs. | between start tag | and Title? immediately following section Title before next start tag? That's the ugly case I alluded to. As Eve pointed out, it could be done, but I haven't yet felt motivated to do it. There's some advantage, I think, in keeping the content models as simple as practical. | Where would you put the IndexTerms to include a reference to an entire | chapter? Assuming I wasn't using Zone? I guess I'd put the StartRef before the first para and the EndRef after the last para. | Is it possible to summarize where they _will_ be allowed -- | "inside a block-level thingy below the section level"? (This is speaking | formally, of course.) Not very formally. Informally: anywhere that #PCDATA can occur and in selected other places where the addition of optional indexterms did not cause ambiguity problems or make the content model overly complex. It's a significant backwards compatibility issue and I think we should do everything we can to minimize it. Cheers, norm -- Norman Walsh <nwalsh@arbortext.com> | DNA neither cares nor knows. DNA Principal Software Engineer | just is. And we dance to its Arbortext, Inc. (www.arbortext.com) | music.--Richard Dawkins 413.256.6985 Voice/FAX |
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