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Subject: Re: DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 September 2004
Correction to the minutes: Nancy Harrison had given her regrets for not attending the September meeting at the August meeting. Bob Stayton Sagehill Enterprises DocBook Consulting bobs@sagehill.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Stayton" <bobs@sagehill.net> To: "DocBook Technical Committee" <docbook-tc@lists.oasis-open.org> Cc: <docbook@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:16 PM Subject: DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 September 2004 > DocBook Technical Committee Meeting Minutes: 15 September 2004 > ============================================================= > > The DocBook Technical Committee met on Wednesday, 15 September 2004 at > 05:00p EDT (02:00p PDT, 21:00GMT, 22:00BST, 23:00CEST, 06:00JST+, > 02:30a India+). > > Agenda > > 1. Roll call > > Present: Steven Cogorno, Gary Cornelius, Paul Grosso, > Dick Hamilton, Scott Hudson, Mark Johnson, > Jirka Kosek, Larry Rowland, Mike Smith, Bob Stayton, Norman Walsh > > Regrets: none > > Absent: Adam Di Carlo, Nancy Harrison > > 2. Accepted the minutes[1] of the previous meeting > > 3. Next meeting: 20 October 2004. > > No regrets. > > 4. Review of the agenda. > > Added committee charter as item 5g. > Added review of 4.4 as item 13a. > > > 5. Review of open action items > > a. Mike to provide a better proposal for choicelist markup. > CONTINUE > > b. Bob to identify elements in DocBook that correspond to > valid locations of HTML forms in HTML output. > DONE > > d. Norm to generate web pages for 4.2, 4.3, and 4.4x. > CONTINUE > > e. Norm to write a draft Committee charter. > DONE > > f. Gary to investigate ISO 9000 regarding guidelines for > accepting or rejecting requests. > DONE > > 5g. Committee charter > > Norm circulated a draft [2], and it was commented on by > Karl Best of OASIS [3]. Some of the comments may > not apply to a committee that mostly does maintenance > of an existing standard. Norm will ask Karl for > clarification. We also need to set specific goals, and Norm > suggested that DocBook 4.4 be done this year, and > DocBook 5.0 be done next year. > > Based on Karl's comments, Norm > will create a second draft for the next meeting. > > ACTION: Norm to write second draft charter. > > 6. Status of DTD version 4.4 beta > > Norm released DocBook 4.4b2 on 26 August. [4] > He suggested everyone test drive it so that we > can designate it a CR1 release at the next meeting. > > 7. Bug in Simplified DocBook 1.1 CR1 (Mark) > > Norm identified two bugs: one in subscript and superscript, > and one in system ids pointing to Norm's hard drive. > Suggestions for fixes were accepted. > > ACTION: Norm to release CR2. > > > 8. "Committee Draft" vs. "OASIS Standard". > > Bob related the story of one vendor who was holding off > on implementing DocBook 4.3 because it was labeled as > a "Committee Draft", which implies that it is not finished. > Norm reported that OASIS removed the designation "Committee Specification" > and so only "OASIS Standard" is available. The latter requires > more work to receive because the full OASIS membership must vote. > Norm thinks the Committee Specification designation may come > back. > > ACTION: Norm to write to OASIS requesting restoration of Committee > Specification > or equivalent. He should cite Bob's vendor example. > > > 9. Annotation proposal (Mike). [5] [6] > > Norm implemented an annotation scheme based on Mike's proposal. [7] > Discussion of two content models for annotation: simple and > complex. simple is basically text and would be used in > output attribute values and tool tips). Complex could include > paras, lists, tables, etc. and would be presented in a separate > area. Both are needed for different circumstances > Larry suggested two elements with different content models: > annotation and shortannotation or simpleannotation. > Steve suggested a single annotation element > with child elements determining simple or complex. > No final decision yet. Decided to post Norm's page and > start a discussion on the list. > > ACTION: Norm to post his annotations page to the mailing list. > > 10. Accessibility. > > Discussed Larry's list [8] of potential improvements > for accessibility. Many can be done with an annotation > mechanism, so they will be considered together. Current > use of attributes has limitations: some browsers only > show first 100 characters of the title attribute text. > One additional area is making tables more accessible. > Norm will forward info from Larry about tables. > > ACTION: Norm to forward Larry's mail about table accessibility. > > ACTION: Norm to contact Mark Pilgrim, author of > Dive Into Accessibility [9], about accessibility issues. > > > 11. Discuss guidelines for accepting or rejecting requests. > > Gary reported on his review of ISO9000, which recommended > that we fully document our process and results. He suggested > creating a flow diagram would help. We currently use the > SourceForge RFE mechanism to track and document the requests. > We could be more careful in adding comments as issues are > resolved. We will consider this item again at the > next meeting. > > > 12. html:form should be available in more places > than in %divcomponent.mix; [10] [11] > > Bob sent a proposal to the list [12] > suggesting additional places where the html:form element > could be added. Norm proposed we adopt the proposal. > The proposal was accepted. > > > 13. Review of Requests for Enhancement > > To browse a specific RFE, enter the URL (on one line): > > http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&; > group_id=21935&atid=384107&aid=XXXX > > 1014806 Add protocol to systemitem class list > > Norm proposed that we accept this. > The committee approved this request. > > 1025286 Support xml:space > > Norm proposed that we accept this. > The committee approved this request. > > > 13a. Review DocBook 4.4 content. > > Based on the actions at this meeting, the committee decided > to add the following to 4.4: > > - Add 'protocol' to systemitem class list. > - Add optional xml:space="preserved" attribute to verbatim elements. > - Add html:forms hook to 9 more parameter entities. > > ACTION: Norm to produce DocBook 4.4CR1 this week. > > > Meeting adjourned at 6:25pm EDT. > *********************************************************** > > The following RFEs are awaiting action items > > 973446 Replace Footnote with Annotation > 413389 Enhance METHODNAME and VARNAME (Norm, generic linking) > 431411 RFE 70: add generic linking capability (Norm) > 522552 Add title attribute to <ulink> element (Mike, annotations) > 565637 Associate non-inline image with link (Norm, generic linking) > 574880 Add annotation element (Mike) > 623524 (Re)Consider "choicelist" markup (Mike) > > The following RFEs are identified as V5.0 or later > > 974285 Check floatstyle/float attributes > 958393 remove default class value from productname > 531851 Remove inline person name elements > 532088 Remove RevHistory from qandaentry > - --- > > [1] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200408/msg00012.html > [2] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200409/msg00009.html > [3] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200409/msg00010.html > [4] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200408/msg00029.html > [5] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200406/msg00003.html > [6] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200406/msg00005.html > [7] http://norman.walsh.name/2004/09/10/annotations > [8] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200408/msg00002.html > [9] http://diveintoaccessibility.org/ > [10] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-apps/200406/msg00081.html > [11] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/200404/msg00032.html > [12] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook-tc/200409/msg00011.html > > Bob Stayton > Sagehill Enterprises > DocBook Consulting > bobs@sagehill.net > >
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