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Subject: [docbook] Re: Accommodating articles.
On Tuesday 26 July 2005 21:57, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Doug du Boulay <ddb@owari.msl.titech.ac.jp> was heard to say: > | (1) There seems to be no <articleinfo> container to hold the name of > | the journal in which the article has been or will be published. > > This looks like an RFE. Ok number 1245781 On Sunday 24 July 2005 02:42, Ruth Ivimey-Cook wrote: > This seems a reasonable thought to me. I am not convinced that title should > be overloaded here, though, as it will make life harder in other contexts. > Would it be acceptable to just have: > > <publication>Journal of...</publication> Personally I could live with that and customise with role="abbrev", but I don't know if that is a general solution. Norman Walsh wrote: > | (2) It would be useful to have a formal <contact> element within > | <authorgroup>, typically, but not always one of the authors > | of the article. It would therefore need the same content > | as <author>, but probably wouldn't be displayed by default. > > Perhaps use role on one of the authors? That would be easier. Ruth Ivimey-Cook also suggested: > <authorgroup> > <author role="contact">...</author> > <author>...</author> > <authorgroup> I guess it would be very unusual to have a contact that wasn't actually an author. But maybe in happens in some corporate environments? Perhaps <author role="contact-nonauthor">...</author> would be a general solution? On Thursday 28 July 2005 22:22, Norman Walsh wrote: > / Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz> was heard to say: > | Norman Walsh wrote: > |> | (3) <authorgroup><author> needs to allow <footnote> > |> | The reason is that sometimes authors move on, to the afterlife > |> | or new laboratories/positions and it is important and > |> respectful | to note such things, but not within the main body > |> of the article. > |> > |> | Actually I noticed some publications put the complete author | > |> > |> address as a footnote, appropriately <footnoteref>'ed by other | > |> authors from the same institution. > |> > |> Another RFE, please. > | > | Isn't this just formatting (stylesheet) issue? Stylesheet could be > | parametrized to present author information as a footnote and > | sophisticated stylesheet can even merge same addresses into the one > | footnote. > > Ahh, good point. Yes, thank you, Jirka. I was thinking of general > footnotes in author, but if what's really needed is simply the ability > to present affiliations in footnotes, there's no need for the footnote > element per se. I didn't put that as clearly as I could of. There were actually two issues combined. I would like to use an article to see this: <title>Life the DocBook Universe and Everything[1]</title> contact Norm Walsh[a][2], Jirka Kosek[b], Bob Stayton[c] help@rand.com and Mike Smith[d] SomePLace in USA [a] O'Reilly ..... [b] University of Economics, Prague... [c] Sagehill Enterprises... [d] Tokyo Japan Abstract blah blah blah Introduction blah blah blah [1] Apologies to Douglas Adams[3] [2] Now at Sun Microsystems ... [3] Deceased 11th May 2001 <?pagebreak?> The first part of (3) was in getting footnote reference [2] (this has higher priority on my wish list) The second issue, which I think I saw in the Nature journal, was where all address references [a,b,c and d] would also appear as footnotes. (I don't need it, but it would be a useful stylesheet generalisation if it could be done?) > > | (4) It would be nice if there was some kind of generic inline <name> > | container for denoting the names of books or journals or companies > > That's citetitle Oops. Yeah. Thanks. > > | (5) It might be nice if the <equation>, <inlineequation> and > | <informalequation> elements provided an @type attribute to > | distinguish between mathematical and chemical equations/reactions > | and formulae. Perhaps "math"|"chem"|"nuclear?" with a default of > | "math"? > > Can you use role for this? Chemistry and nuclear physics aren't > directly in DocBook's scope. I was thinking it would ultimately be useful for software to distinguish between them in a standard manner and then parse them in an appropriate way. I've been using role for another purpose. I guess Arch, Condition, or Lang might apply? > > | (actually, it would be very nice to be able to put text - punctuation > | such as a full-stop or comma at the very least - on the same line > | as an <equation> or <informalequation> ) > > That seems problematic at best. However, I expect these elements are > allowed inside para, so you could do it, but you'll have to get the > processing system to "do the right thing". Are you thinking of something like this? <para> Some introductory text, ... split the beer atom ... where the energy <inlineequation>E</inl...> is given by <equation> </equation>, where <informalequation>x=2</inf...> and the integral is over all space. </para> How could I pick the limit of what to include on the same line? Thanks Norm, Thanks Ruth, Thanks Jirka Cheers Doug
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