Re: [docbook] DocBook 5.0 Toolchain and Questions

[Robin Cover <robin@oasis-open.org>]

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005, Jirka Kosek wrote:

======================= in part:

http://docbook.org/ns/docbook is namespace for DocBook 5.0. It is not 
location of schema/DTD, it is just identifier that distinguishes 
elements in this document from other sets of elements like XHTML, SVG, 
TEI.

=======================

Has the TC discussed and/or decided upon the [non-]use of a RDDL namespace
document?

Just curious.

- Robin Cover

[1] various versions of the RDDL spec listed here:

http://xml.coverpages.org/rddl.html


> Ben Rockwood wrote:
> 
> > I'm alittle confused about what 5.0 and NG will mean to authors moving 
> > forward.  NG looks like it will make customization much nicer without 
> > having to bug Bob Stayton (my hero) every time, but from a practical 
> > standpoint I'm unsure of what the future holds.
> 
> I can understand you, and I'm sure that there will be HOW-TOs ready when 
> it will be right time to switch from 4.x to 5.x for larger pool of users 
> not only for early adopters.
> 
> > Currently, in 4.x it seems to me that the "golden toolchain" is xsltproc 
> > and DocBook XSL 1.69.1.
> 
> Well, I wouldn't label xsltproc as a part of the golden toolchain as it 
> doesn't support all the features of the stylesheets (some extensions, 
> internationalized indexes). If you want all features there is Saxon 
> 6.5.4 configured to use catalog resolver and to support XInclude.
> 
> >  I'm not an expert with XML or DocBook 
> > internals, but it looks to me like 1.69.1 is simply bridging the gap 
> > betwen DTD and NG, and I guess the word on the street is that in the 
> > future we'll use DocBook 5.x with XSL2, which I suppose means we can 
> > continue to use xsltproc?
> 
> Current version of the stylesheets supports both DocBook 4.x and 5.x. 
> Current support for 5.x is done just by stripping namespace from DocBook 
> 5.x document and then processing it as it were v4.x document. Of course, 
> you can use xsltproc with 1.69.1 or with the following versions of 
> stylesheets to process DocBook 5.x documents.
> 
> There is also separate project -- rewrite of stylesheets into XSLT 2.0 
> -- which is far from finished but it will offer some interesting 
> features that are not possible with XSLT 1.0 based implementation. AFAIK 
> there are no plans to support XSLT 2.0 in xsltproc in the near future.
> 
> > A side question, I won't miss DOCTYPE's so much, but I'm concerned that 
> > I can't verify the new NG xmlns locations, such as:
> > 
> > <article xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook"; version="lillet">
> > 
> > If I point a browswer to that url to verify that its valid I get a 404.  
> > Nevertheless, it seems to work fine.  Can someone explain this?
> 
> http://docbook.org/ns/docbook is namespace for DocBook 5.0. It is not 
> location of schema/DTD, it is just identifier that distinguishes 
> elements in this document from other sets of elements like XHTML, SVG, TEI.
> 
> If you want to validate your document you must supply schema location 
> manually or use validator which is able to map namespaces to schemas. 
> Unfortunatelly there is no standard syntax for such mapping files, but 
> there are several tools that support this approach to location schemas, 
> for one example see: http://www.dpawson.co.uk/relaxng/nxml/schemaloc.html
> 
> 					Jirka
> 
> 

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