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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] Re: [regrep] Did ebXML Help Accelerate the Web Services Evolution?
To add fuel to the David (Webber) vs. Goliaths (Microsoft, IBM) story, I'll relay a comment I heard at the CIO Council at FOSE. When I asked why they haven't fully blessed SOA and WS, one CIO reply was "because I still can't implement a "working" distributed WS if one application is running under .NET and the other is running under J2EE". I'm not sure we can achieve this, but I hope our team can develop a "roadmap" toward a unified set set of standards or, at least, a friendly co-existence. Regards......Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info> To: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>; <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>; <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>; "ebSOA" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:43 PM Subject: [ebsoa] Re: [regrep] Did ebXML Help Accelerate the Web Services Evolution? > Joe, > > You remind me of Nelson on the deck of the Victory at the > Battle of the Nile - "I see no ships!" (looking with his > blind-eye through his telescope).... > > Web services is not even close to being finished yet - and > a whole chunk of it is futilely recreating ebXML functionality, > but from an unsustainable model - to wit - WSDL. > > Let's be clear here - Bob Sutor's decision was deterimental > to everything and driven by his own self-interest - and by > Microsoft and IBM thinking they could get there first. > > Well they did not, and they have merely succeeded in > confusing the marketplace and adding much wasted time > to the whole process - including mine in typing this and > yours in reading it. Customers would already be buying > consistent ebSOA were it not for their confusion caused > by web service FUD. > > I'm throughly disinterested in the web service fraternity > continued efforts to re-write history and make like today > they have everything working better than ebXML. > > First it was 'web services is simpler than ebXML - which > is too complicated". Now its - 'web services are more > complete than ebXML - which is only limited and old'. > > Fact is - ebXML is well suited to its mission profile and > therefore is coherent and consistent. And like any > great technology - ebXML is evolving, maturing and > growing. Web services are anything but - fragmented, > dispersed and subject to proprietary whims - so what > did web services learn from ebXML? Frankly very little. > > Cheers, DW. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com> > To: <ebxml-dev@lists.ebxml.org>; <regrep@lists.oasis-open.org>; "ebSOA" > <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 12:31 PM > Subject: [regrep] Did ebXML Help Accelerate the Web Services Evolution? > > > > I'm in a bit of a "controversial" (tongue-in-cheek) mood today, so I > > thought I'd through this out and see what comes back. My thoughts are > > spurred by a book on that I am currently reading. Please note as you > > read this that I am in a position in which I am vendor neutral. > > > > 3 years ago, when the first phase of ebXML was getting ready to wind > > down, I was a mere observer on various listservs, so I don't have the > > perspective of someone who was in the throws of things. However, I've > > been thinking: Did ebXML Help Accelerate the Web Services Evolution? > > > > More specifically: I understand that there was a "schism" of sorts at > > one point (exactly when I am not sure) in which several major vendors > > pulled out of ebXML. These vendors happen to be those that are > > considered to be the driving forces behind Web Services (by this I mean > > the "SOAP/WSDL/UDDI"). Web Services. > > > > I wonder - if this "schism" did not take place (assuming that it indeed > > did), would Web Services have taken off as quickly as they did? Did this > > "schism" give more motivation to these vendors to evolve the "base" Web > > Services standards as quickly as they were evolved? What if these > > vendors had not pulled out of ebXML? What would the landscape look like > > now? > > > > Thoughts? Comments? > > > > Kind Regards, > > Joe Chiusano > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > the OASIS TC), go to > http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/regrep/members/leave_workgroup.php. > > > > > >
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