Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA

[Duane Nickull <dnickull@adobe.com>]

David:

While this may be true, it is definitely premature to make this post. 
 We still have to get the doc to a 0.2 version.

There is not point in generating BPSS instances before we have a runtime 
execution engine.  I agree - there is an audience for this, perhaps the 
bp related lists may be a better forum for now.  I know this is 
procedural and burocratic in nature but I guess I am part politician now ;-)

What we need now if a scope statement, pattern work, document structure 
and  help for editing.  Love to see you contribute to that ;-)  Then 
let's discuss BP**

Duane

David RR Webber wrote:

> Matt,
>  
> Heck - if you don't want to see what I've been working
> on - you don't have to do any of it.
>  
> However the good news is there are two files at the
> link - one is a JPG and the other is an XML file.
>  
> You can view the JPG and then inspect the XML
> that the model generated.  By examining the JPG
> you will see the components that go into specifying
> a robust business process - and the supporting
> linkages to the transport layer, the context system,
> and transactions.  Being able to drive all this with
> XML templates is IMHO a key need for ebSOA,
> and while the BPSS approach may not be perfect -
> its certainly one we should be lookiing at to
> understand how it relates and can be leveraged.
>  
> Also - since BPSS is middleware neutral - there is
> a strong possibility it can be applied to the ebSOA
> deployment environments.
>  
> Then there is the fact that the BPSS approach is
> derived and built-up from over twenty years of
> evolving knowledge on business processes - not to
> mention - tightly couples to the ebMS interchange
> model.
>  
> But apart from that the patterns it uses might strike
> some as being antiquated, while others will see them
> as essential foundation business components.
>  
> I'm just the messenger here ; -)
>  
> DW
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Matthew MacKenzie <mailto:mattm@adobe.com>
>     To: David RR Webber <mailto:david@drrw.info>
>     Cc: ebsoa <mailto:ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org>
>     Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 9:44 AM
>     Subject: Re: [ebsoa] New BPSS V2 editor for ebSOA
>
>     Let me get this straight...
>
>     I'm supposed to get a copy of your tool, and download a BPSS
>     sample. When I have this, I am somehow better prepared to create a
>     ebSOA model?
>
>     Lots of assumptions that I do not care for...
>
>     - We will use VisualScript (does it run on Mac OS by the way?)
>     - We will use BPSS as a foundation technology.
>     - ...
>
>     -Matt
>     On May 19, 2004, at 10:36 AM, David RR Webber wrote:
>
>         Team,
>          
>         I've uploaded the current beta to:
>          
>          http://drrw.net/visualscripts/
>          
>         You will see the "NEW" BPSS V2 example marked.
>          
>         To use this - download the ZIP file - and unpack it into
>         the TEMP directory on your C: drive
>          
>         (you can change the path reference in the model - but its
>          easier to just unpack it to c:\temp to get started).
>          
>         This new model includes the ability to define Context as
>         part of the BPSS model - so it gives key insights into
>         creating process models that manage the business
>         transactional needs, context, and integration to the
>         transport layer with ebMS, WSDL, http-binding, RPC
>         and more.
>          
>         I'm sure this will be a pivot point for getting our ebSOA model
>         and details honed so that it all works harmoniously.
>          
>         Next I'm working on a quick PPT tutorial - so people can easily
>         step thru and create their own BPSS from scratch.
>          
>         Enjoy, DW
>          
>         p.s. I'm also looking at the jBPM JBOSS engine - figuring I can
>               drive jBPM from the BPSS models....and thus transport
>               layer and implement a foundation piece for ebSOA...
>
>     ___________________________
>     Matthew MacKenzie
>     Senior Architect
>     IDBU Server Solutions
>     Adobe Systems Canada Inc.
>     http://www.adobe.com/products/server/
>     mattm@adobe.com
>     +1 (506) 871.5409
>

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