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Subject: Re: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics
Ron, I think that would be best - my access times out too. Thanks, DW. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Schuldt, Ron L" <ron.l.schuldt@lmco.com> To: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>; "ebSOA" <ebsoa@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics > ebSOA Team, > > I don't seem to have a problem getting to the > http://www.meiim.com/eii_events.htm Web site - however, it is responding > very slowly. > > If others are experiencing the same problem as Joe, I could post the > documents on the ebSOA Web site. > > Ron > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 1:10 PM > To: ebSOA > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics > > > Ron, > > Thanks for the information below on the DLA EII workshop. I noted that > the links below are no longer resolveable, and a Google search did not > yield any results. Would you happen to know where else we might find > this information? > > Thanks, > Joe > > "Schuldt, Ron L" wrote: > > > > ebSOA Team, > > > > On Monday and Tuesday of this week, I participated in an "invitation > > only" Enterprise Information Integration (EII) workshop that was > > sponsored by the Defense Logistics Agency. The focus of the EII > workshop > > was semantics integration solutions to solve a case study (but real > > world problem) involving legacy systems. Approximately 55-60 "thought > > leaders" were invited to the workshop. The attendees represented the > > following -- DoD, the military services, other government agencies, > > prime contractors (Lockheed Martin and Boeing), IT vendors (IBM, > > Microsoft, Unicorn, MetaMatrix, Contivo, Network Inference, and > others), > > standards bodies (X12, IEEE, ebXML and W3C) and recognized experts on > > the topics of OWL, RDF, Topic Maps, UDEF, and other semantics > > integration concepts and technologies. > > > > In addition to an outstanding keynote presentation by Jeff Pollock on > > the subject of semantics integration, the outbriefs by the three teams > > warrant your review - see http://www.meiim.com/eii_events.htm > > > > Following several presentations on Monday morning, the attendees were > > divided into three teams and each was asked to solve the same case > > study. Although the case study was fictitious, it illustrated a real > > world condition involving legacy systems. You can gain some insight to > > the problem by looking at http://www.meiim.com/enter_EII.htm > > > > All three workgroups were assigned the same case study titled "DoD > > Widget Procurement System (WPS)." Within a four hour time span, each > > team was expected to develop an overview of the proposed plan and > > approach; develop an AS-IS characterization of the existing WPS > > environment; develop a TO-BE systems architecture; discuss how the > group > > plans to overcome some of the obstacles cited in the case study; and > > project downstream cost savings and cost avoidance opportunities. > > > > The outbriefs by each team contained some common key elements within > the > > TO-BE architecture - specifically the need for a "loosely coupled" > > metamodel (based on an ontology) and the use of OWL and RDF. Each team > > briefed the DLA customer who was very pleased with the product > developed > > by each team. For reference, I was part of team #2. > > > > IMHO the outbriefs by the three teams plus the presentation by Jeff > > Pollock provide a solid starting point for any discussions regarding > > "shared semantics" by this list. > > > > Ron Schuldt > > Senior Staff Systems Architect > > Lockheed Martin Enterprise Information Systems > > 11757 W. Ken Caryl Ave. > > #F521 Mail Point DC5694 > > Littleton, CO 80127 > > 303-977-1414 > > ron.l.schuldt@lmco.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chiusano Joseph [mailto:chiusano_joseph@bah.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 5:33 PM > > To: ebSOA > > Subject: Re: [ebsoa] SOA and Shared Semantics > > > > David, > > > > Thank you for giving me a useless answer that does not even come close > > to addressing my question below, not once but twice. I obviously do > not > > even remotely get your point. > > > > Frankly, I am looking for answers that I can convey to my US federal > > clients, not (with all due respect to the efforts) some set of > acronyms > > that they are not even going to have heard of, because the efforts are > > either too bleeding-edge for me to offer, or they have not been widely > > enough embraced by the federal community and/or vendors to make them > > appealing. > > > > If we cannot get straight answers to simple, straightforward questions > > like the ones that I posed below, I believe that the chances of this > TC > > being successful are - at this point - 2% at best. I hope we can > > increase that soon. > > > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > David RR Webber wrote: > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > That's my whole point. > > > > > > The BCM/EPR work does provide a very broad > > > set of usage scenarios. > > > > > > I believe we need to build from a solid foundation. > > > > > > If we just run after isolated aspects - we will > > > lose the opportunity to provide a coherent > > > solution set. > > > > > > That is why I'm focusing on areas that provide > > > such coherence to provide a sensible set of > > > base requirements. > > > > > > DW. > > > > > > Quoting Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>: > > > > > > > Thanks David. > > > > > > > > How about in more general terms, stepping aside for a moment from > > > > specific emerging initiatives - I'm thinking more generally, such > > as: > > > > what role should ontologies play? Why are they important in this > > > > context? How about metadata registries? etc. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > David RR Webber wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Joe, > > > > > > > > > > At this juncture I would like to point out > > > > > that the BCM/EPR team is preparing a set of > > > > > requirements for submission to ebSOA. > > > > > > > > > > This stems from the work and meetings in > > > > > Norway over the past two weeks. > > > > > > > > > > And indeed semantic information is a > > > > > significant part of this - not only > > > > > for common understanding - but also > > > > > when used to create ontologies and > > > > > topic maps for discovery and reuse > > > > > of components. > > > > > > > > > > The essence of the BCM/EPR needs can > > > > > be distilled in part from the PPT > > > > > presented in Norway - available > > > > > from http://www.eprforum.org > > > > > > > > > > However - we are working on formalizing > > > > > the exact mechanisms and base requirements > > > > > so that an ebSOA based set of components > > > > > can support an BCM/EPR deployment. > > > > > > > > > > It's obviously good to be able to focus > > > > > on a real deployment model - to be able > > > > > to hone exact requirements, and > > > > > combination of requirements - rather than > > > > > things being noted in a piecemeal fashion. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, DW > > > > > > > > > > Quoting Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@bah.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a topic that we're planning on including in our spec? > (I > > think > > > > > > we should) We can emphasize the role of ontologies in helping > > ensure > > > > > > "shared semantic understanding" between participants in an > SOA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > > > Joseph Chiusano > > > > > > Associate > > > > > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://drrw.net > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Joseph Chiusano > > > > Associate > > > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > > > > > > > > > > http://drrw.net > > > > -- > > Kind Regards, > > Joseph Chiusano > > Associate > > Booz | Allen | Hamilton > > -- > Kind Regards, > Joseph Chiusano > Associate > Booz | Allen | Hamilton >
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