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Subject: RE: [ebxml-bp] BPMN -> BPSS via XPDL and xslt?
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The OMG RFP for BPMN 2 submissions asks
for a merge and completion of BPMN 1.0/1 and BPDM 1.0 (soon in the near final
standards process phase, theFTF). Why is this happening? If you look at our
BPMN diagrams for ebBP 2, you will note that they actually are speculations on
how BPMN would incorporate public process descriptions (called
InteractionProtocols in BPDM and presumably in BPMN 2). So actually BPMN had a
gap in its graphical depictions (and its semantics) that is being repaired. So I have heard XPDL is used as a
temporary exchange format among BPMN 1.0/1.1 systems. But how are those systems
really capturing InteractionProtocols of the collaborating participants? At
present it would be a speculative guess by tool makers of what these diagrams
look like and how they relate to the private processes (which are covered to
some degree by BPMN). I would guess that BPSS to XPDL would also
involve a loss of all QOS related material. So BPMN 1.0/1.1 doesn’t
capture BPSS public process and XSLTing to XPDL from the BPMN diagrams won’t
help in getting the right descriptions exchanged. I actually am interested in another XSLT
project, and maybe that would connect to your interest in XPDL variants of
content. BPDM now has produced XSDs for their MOF MM, and it seems plausible to
have a lossy XSLT from BPSS to BPDM, the schematized flavor. (Lossy because
BPDM has no QOS model built in.) Maybe there is then a way to XSLT that result back
and forth to XPDL. Meanwhile Steve Ross Talbot is working on transforms
from ebBP (minus QOS) into WS-CDL apparently. The other direction, WS-CDL into
a (QOS defaulted?) BPSS is a task endusers (more theoretical ones, anyway) have
expressed some interest in seeing done also. So the era of having many stable
approaches to aspects of BP modeling is transitioning into a connecting
and relating phase. I think that the worry here is how well the semantics align
through these conversions. The state transition graph parts (especially with
some visual rendering) can probably be (with non trivial effort) connected
together, but whether these diagrams really have the same interaction protocols
(or whatever “the” semantics gets explained in) is probably going
to take a while to sort out. Just some thoughts… From: David RR Webber
(XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info] Team, I've been working with BPMN and the Avantage ActiveModeler and the
Tibco Business Studio (both free starter packages) - and generating XPDL from
BPMN diagrams. There's also the Intalio open source BPMN Eclipse editor
as well. Looking at the XPDL - it looks a short hop using xslt to create a basic
BPSS instance from that. Once there - open the BPSS in the XML
Stylist and finish the BPSS details. Making the xslt looks like a very short hop between BPMN and BPSS via
XPDL. Anyone else interested in contributing? DW |
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