RE: New work and loose ends

[Martin W Sachs <mwsachs@us.ibm.com>]

David,

Have you considered how the requirement to use UMM will be enforced?  I
understand that it restricts the BP team to using UMM.  Suppose some
industry group that has its own collaboration protocol wants to use  the
CPP and CPA.  I am sure that you would agree that it wouldn't be in
anyone's best interest to tell them to go and look for a different
agreement specification? ...nor would it be in anyone's best interest to
tell them that they have to rip up their collaboration protocol and adopt
UMM.

In any case, the ebXML "modularity" requirement forced the CPP-CPA spec to
use words like "MAY" and "SHOULD" instead of "SHALL" with respect to the
BPSS and MSH specs and the same is true of the TRP spec.  The CPP-CPA team
was dinged on this by QR.

Regards,
Marty

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"Welsh, David" <David.Welsh@nordstrom.com> on 07/20/2001 12:39:37 PM

To:   "'Dale Moberg'" <dmoberg@cyclonecommerce.com>, Martin W
      Sachs/Watson/IBM@IBMUS, ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
cc:   "Bob Haugen (E-mail)" <linkage@interaccess.com>, "James Bryce Clark
      (E-mail 2)" <jamie.clark@mmiec.com>, "James Clark (E-mail)"
      <jdc-icot@lcc.net>, "Paul R. Levine (E-mail)" <plevine@telcordia.com>
Subject:  RE: New  work and loose ends




Dale,
Thanks.
I'm  not really up on how extensive the 'modularity' has been defined
within  ebXML but on 'business process specifications', ebXML makes it a
requirement if you're dealing with business process modeling that the UMM
is the  way.

-Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Moberg  [mailto:dmoberg@cyclonecommerce.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001  7:35 PM
To: Welsh, David; Martin W Sachs;  ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: Bob Haugen (E-mail); James Bryce  Clark (E-mail 2); James Clark
(E-mail); Paul R. Levine  (E-mail)
Subject: RE: New work and loose ends


Hi Dave,

The proposed CPPA charter includes several suggested liaison activities
with w3c groups, oasis groups, and possibly
others. Web services are proposed as one kind of specification to monitor
(watching where WSFL, BPMI, XLang
et alia end up being digested.) One reason for this interest is in
allowing CPPs and CPAs to link to other "business process
specifications". This is in keeping with the modularity ebXML has
endorsed-- to permit each specification area
to be used independently of other ebXML specifications as well as having
good integration points. Some
issues I see here are whether and how to keep the "service" and "action"
tags, how to generalize CPAs to handle
multi-role collaborations, and so on. If it made sense to use CPPs and
CPAs in connection with web service flows,
even if these were defined in some "non-standard" specification, why
preclude opening up the CPPA specification to
allow creating a CPA that referenced BPs described in accordance  with
non-ebXML notations? If the other notations
are being used, and CPPA is to promote faster convergence  to agreeing
upon interoperable software configurations,
it would certainly be within our intended scope.

At any rate, consideration of these issues, and monitoring
developments parallel to ebXML BPSS,
is not a scope change from the proposed charter, IMO.

Bye
Dale

-----Original Message-----
From: Welsh, David
Sent: Thu 7/19/2001 6:15 PM
To: 'Martin W Sachs';  ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: Bob Haugen (E-mail); James  Bryce Clark (E-mail 2); James Clark
(E-mail); Paul R. Levine (E-mail)
Subject: RE: New work and loose ends



Marty,
Sorry to jump in, but I was trying to understand  the frame of reference /
direction that's being used when it comes to the  suggested changes / new
work items to ebXML CPA-CPP.
There seems to be a  lot of 'really cool technical stuff' being proposed,
no doubt about it (!),  but I've seen references being made to look at
non-related ebXML / "foreign"  specifications in the CPPA TC work plan,
where some of these reference  topics (like WSFL) are still proprietary as
far as I
know.
Is this a  wish that the CPPA TC do a technology 'look ahead' to things
that might get  commonly adopted like what SOAP eventually went thru, re
W3C and IPR, and /  or is this meant as potential alignment efforts to own
ebXML developments;  which may or may not eventually be something that's a
'out of
scope  thing'.

Maybe I'm still working off of the original ebXML concept  that we're
focused on building upon established standards (ex. W3C, ISO,  ..), as
opposed to what might one day become a standard (maybe), in the  absence of
seeing anything mentioned to the contrary recently on the various  ebXML
related news
lists.

Just asking !
All the best in your up  coming meetings.
Thanks again
-Dave


> -----Original  Message-----
> From: Martin W Sachs [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
>  Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:37 AM
> To:  ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: New work and loose  ends
>
>
> I have attached two documents that discuss  potential
> maintenance and new
> work items that I will review  next week.
>
> Regards,
> Marty
>
> (See  attached file: CPA-CPP-changes.pdf)List of work items as
> of the end  of
> the Vienna ebXML meeting. This includes additional  discussion
> of some items
> in  the
>               CPPA.new.work document below
>
> (See attached file:  CPPA.new.work.pdf)Summary of all proposed work and
> loose ends as of  today. I will be using this as slides next week.
>
>  **************************************************************
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>
> Martin W. Sachs
> IBM T. J.  Watson Research Center
> P. O. B. 704
> Yorktown Hts, NY  10598
> 914-784-7287;  IBM tie line 863-7287
> Notes  address:  Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM
> Internet address:   mwsachs @ us.ibm.com
>  **************************************************************
>  ***********************
>

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