Re: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure

[Christopher Ferris <chris.ferris@sun.com>]

David,

First, I believe that IBM has, in fact, responded formally
indicating that they will not charge for the licenses to their
patents as recorded in the following emails[1,2,3] from Marty
Sachs and Patrick Gannon. Patrick's email (archived in at least
two mailing list archives) includes a copy of an email from Bob
Sutor specifically claiming that IBM will not charge for the
licenses. I fail to see how you can claim that the cost will
not always be zero.

As to the assertion that IBM "had a minor role in developing
it [CPP/A]", this is about as preposterous claim as one
could possibly imagine. Were it not for the efforts of Marty
Sachs, there would have been no CPP/A 1.0 specification on
which to base the efforts of the current version. Marty has
continued to provide input into the development of this latest
version. To characterize his role in the development of CPP/A as
"minor" is an insult and wholly inaccurate.

Regards,

Chris

[1] http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml-dev/200204/msg00107.html
[2] http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/members/200204/msg00005.html
[3] http://lists.ebxml.org/archives/ebxml/200204/msg00004.html

David Fischer wrote:

> I logged on this morning to vote yes on the specification.  Now I am going to
> abstain.
> 
> I gather that the very existence of this technology is what IBM claims and there
> is nothing we can change in the specification to obviate IBMs claim -- they
> claim the whole document even though they had a minor role in developing it.
> 
> IBM is going to require anyone who uses CPPA to obtain a license?  This makes
> IBM the owner of CPPA!  Marty has assured us that the cost will be zero, yet IBM
> is not willing to make this assurance in writing.  Rest assured then, the cost
> will not always be zero.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> David Fischer
> Drummond Group.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin W Sachs [mailto:mwsachs@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 6:09 PM
> To: ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org
> Subject: [ebxml-cppa] IBM patent disclosure
> 
> 
> 
> Regarding the question in the minutes of whether someone must apply for a
> license for the IBM patents, I have checked on the answer.  The answer is
> yes.  If a company believes that their CPPA implementation may be covered
> by the IBM patents, the procedure is to apply to IBM for a license.  There
> will be no fee for the license.
> 
> Regards,
> Marty
> 
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> 
> Martin W. Sachs
> IBM T. J. Watson Research Center
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> ----- Forwarded by Martin W Sachs/Watson/IBM on 04/19/2002 07:03 PM -----
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> 
>                       Peter Ogden
>                       <pogden@cycloneco        To:       "ebXML-CPPA (E-mail)"
> <ebxml-cppa@lists.oasis-open.org>
>                       mmerce.com>              cc:
>                                                Subject:  [ebxml-cppa] CPPA
> conference call minutes - 2002/04/19
>                       04/19/2002 06:30
>                       PM
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> Here are my notes  from today's conference call. Please advise if any
> corrections are  needed.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> **** Attachment CPPACallMinutes20020419.doc has been removed from this note
> on 19 April 2002 by Martin W Sachs ****
> 
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