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Subject: Re: [egov] Proposed Use Case template
Rex, Sally is going to remind us of the need for the glossary again! When we say "business-centric", we do not mean commercial for profit view point persay! Notice the Canadian government now operates significant chunks of itself as partial self-funding cost and value centers. So we are using business in a generic-sense - and whether you are measuring value in terms of $$$, or in terms of intangible value metrics - you still need to guage all that before seeking technology to address those needs! The main point being that technology by itself is not the solution - its a 50:50 partnership - and that is what BCM seeks to establish. Hope that helps. DW p.s. BTW - the new BCM brochure is a great read - see the link from the BCM home page. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com> To: "David RR Webber" <david@drrw.info>; "Ockert Cameron" <ockertc@tshimollo.net>; "'Farrukh Najmi'" <Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>; "'Rex Brooks'" <rexb@starbourne.com> Cc: "'Tim Benson'" <tim.benson@abies.co.uk>; "'OASIS eGov list'" <egov@lists.oasis-open.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [egov] Proposed Use Case template > Hi David, > > I joined BCM as an observer to get a better idea of what you are > speaking to and because I did not want to engage in a discussion on > the relative pros and cons of adopting a predominantly "Business" > viewpoint where governmental functions are required without first > exposing myself to what is being presented. Since signing up by no > means provides the background needed, I have some study to do, but > having observed, and largely applauded, the move to "Enterprise > Architecture" from several viewpoints over the last couple of years, > but largely in a standards-oriented viewpoint through my > participation in OASIS, I think we need to be careful just how > extensively we adopt that model without due consideration to > appropriateness to specific governmental functionalities. One > doesn't want adoption of the model to mean adoption of all practices. > I'm just getting my feet wet in this, so I will hold further > discussion in abeyance until I learn more. > > Ciao, > Rex > > At 10:28 AM -0500 2/11/04, David RR Webber wrote: > >Rex, > > > >From the BCM perspective there is the business > >analysis template that sits above the use case > >diagrams - and specifies from the business view > >what the goals, outcomes, behaviours should > >be. This then breaks out into one or more (usually > >more) use case diagrams underneath that showing > >the technology view. > > > >DW. > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Rex Brooks" <rexb@starbourne.com> > >To: "Ockert Cameron" <ockertc@tshimollo.net>; "'Farrukh Najmi'" > ><Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM>; "'Rex Brooks'" <rexb@starbourne.com> > >Cc: "'Tim Benson'" <tim.benson@abies.co.uk>; "'OASIS eGov list'" > ><egov@lists.oasis-open.org> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 9:29 AM > >Subject: RE: [egov] Proposed Use Case template > > > > > >> Thanks, Ockert, > >> > >> This is good news, even if Windows-specific in terms of OS on which > >> the toolset works, which is okay for me personally since it supports > >> Java and C++ which can then be worked on other platforms. > >> > >> However, the question at issue isn't the cost of the toolset or even > >> a choice between one or another modeling language per se, although I > >> personally prefer UML. The question is one of grounding the > >> derivation of the use-cases. The simplified model of ontological > >> participants Farrukh suggests is very high level and assumes a Domain > >> Expert, Content Publisher and a Registry Group and that's fine at a > >> high level. I'm suggesting developing lower level scenarios more > >> appropriate to the domains for which Farrukh's model assumes a Domain > >> Expert. > >> > >> I think we might want to put our initial focus there, gathering > >> exemplar scenarios that uses the template I offered which has already > >> seen some successful use in the WSRP TC for laying out roles, > >> functions and responsibilities before a modeling tool or model is > >> applied to formally analyze, operate, prepare comparative reports and > >> distribute reports in preparation for policy-making decisions or > >> other management actions. I think it might be wise to prepare such > >> materials in order to define requirements for what is needed to > >> perform functions such as gathering specific data inputs, classifying > >> and sorting inputs, filling in forms, performing transforms, > >> allocating IT resources, compiling statistical knowledge > >> representations of transformed data, preparing decision-making > >> models, etc. > >> > >> In other words, it is actually a workflow decision on whether to > >> assume we know enough a priori to move immediately to a use-case > >> model or whether evaluating a population of scenarios grounded in > >> actual experience beforehand makes sense. The one reason I can think > >> of that favors evaluating scenarios first is that there may be more > >> than one or even a few use-case models that would serve better in > > > different situations, such as the differences between environmental > >> impact reports and developing building codes for different > >> microclimates and/or geological factors, or evaluating the effects of > >> trade policies long and short term, etc. I suspect that we probably > >> will find that we need to narrow down what constitutes a Domain > >> Expert for different domain sets. > >> > >> Ciao, > >> Rex > >> > >> At 7:06 AM +0200 2/11/04, Ockert Cameron wrote: > >> >We use a modeling tool called EA from http://www.sparxsystems.com.au/ - > >it > >> >is very powerfull, and can run standalone or using a central RDBMS such > >as > >> >MySQL. In terms of international recognized tool sets such as Rose, EA is > >> >around 28 times cheaper, and have almost comparable functionality. Would > >the > >> >use of such a tool not potentially solve the problem? > >> > > >> >Regards > >> >Ockert Cameron > >> >Solutions Architect > >> >Dept of Justice and Constitutional Development > >> >South Africa > >> > > >> >-----Original Message----- > >> >From: Farrukh Najmi [mailto:Farrukh.Najmi@Sun.COM] > >> >Sent: 10 February 2004 10:44 PM > >> >To: Rex Brooks > >> >Cc: Tim Benson; OASIS eGov list > >> >Subject: Re: [egov] Proposed Use Case template > >> > > >> >Rex Brooks wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> If what is being proposed fits the actual scenarios, then we will know > >> >> that we are grounded. Being grounded is more important, it seems to > >> >> me, than creating structures at this point, although I am sure that a > >> >> great deal of experience with "systems" has gone into this model, and > >> >> it may well be accurate and useful, but I can't tell that in the > >abstract. > >> > > >> >I agree that being grounded is more important. I was assuming (maybe > >> >incorrectly) that structure helps achive grounding. I certainly do not > >want > >> >to be overly prescriptive to the point were structure (the means) becomes > >a > >> >barrier to achieving grounding (the end). > >> > > >> >> > >> >> Please take no offense, Farrukh, I hope it proves out that your model > >> >> is well drawn and fits many more instances than those I cite, but I > >> > > have no background that enables me to reckon that. > >> > > >> >Absolutely none taken. You raise a valid concern that we could get bogged > >> >down by form rather than focus on substance. > >> > > >> >My suggetsion came from having observed in many situation discussion that > >> >sometime tend to meander without any governing structure. Use cases are > >an > >> >important methodology for addressing that. I went a step further to > >suggest > >> >a form for managing use cases. > >> >In the Semantic Content Management SC we are trying on the side of more > >> >formal structure with hyperlinks between use cases etc. > >> >Lets see how this works out. > >> > > >> >We have a wealth of experience here in the egov TC. What may help is to > >hear > >> >what people's experience has been in managing use cases effectively. > >> >Thanks. > >> > > >> >-- > >> >Regards, > >> >Farrukh > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > >the > >> >OASIS TC), go to > >> > >>http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/egov/members/leave_workgroup. p > >h > >> >p. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Rex Brooks > >> GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth > >> W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com > >> Email: rexb@starbourne.com > >> Tel: 510-849-2309 > >> Fax: By Request > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of > >the OASIS TC), go to > >http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/egov/members/leave_workgroup.p hp. > >> > >> > > > -- > Rex Brooks > GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth > W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com > Email: rexb@starbourne.com > Tel: 510-849-2309 > Fax: By Request > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list (and be removed from the roster of the OASIS TC), go to http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/egov/members/leave_workgroup.php. > >
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