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Subject: Re: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process - one disabilities concern
While there are different processes in each country the overal basics are
the same.
A voter is verified , they casts a ballot. This is verified prior to it
being cast if the user goes to a ballot station as we do in the UK.
The processes maybe different in each jurisdiction, however the outcome is
the same and on the whole the requirements are also the same.
A secure trusted ballot in which the result is fair, open transparent and
of critical importance verifiable.
While thr process is exactly that the transport method for the process is
phisical and this is where EML should certainly have a place and even be
extended to include other aspects.
Cheers
Simon
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<quote who="David Webber \(XML\)">
> Paul,
>
> Exactly!
>
> I'm definately wanting to have an international process
> standard here. As you say - each country may have
> local differences in procedures, but the overall
> trusted process and those checks and balances
> need to be there in one form or another.
>
> And we need a reference point for solution providers.
>
> Ultimately OASIS cannot be the sole arbitrar on this,
> however I feel that OASIS has the right means to put
> something together that others are clearly struggling
> with - and then promote this to an ISO or similar.
>
> There is an urgent need to get this body of work
> done - and we can clearly partner with other groups
> that have already done good work - to be able to
> collectively do this. In anycase that adds considerable
> weight to our results.
>
> My sense is if we raise a flag here then that will
> bring in these other groups that need to contribute
> and validate our deliberations.
>
> Thanks, DW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul Spencer" <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk>
> To: <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 5:22 AM
> Subject: RE: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process - one
> disabilities concern
>
>
>> David,
>>
>> Have you read the EML documents? This is a start on a viable process. At
> the
>> time, we felt we needed a reference process to help us define the
>> schemas.
>> We also felt that this process would vary a lot internationally.
>> However,
>> there are certain key points (mainly to do with trust) that can be
>> standardised on an international basis.
>>
>> I would love to see the OASIS E&VSTC get involved in this, but I wonder
>> if
>> OASIS is the right place for this. On the other hand, it could be the
>> only
>> place that would take a truly international (rather than US-centric)
>> view.
>> Also, from a personal view, having spent a considerable time helping get
> EML
>> to the stage it is, I would like any new initiative to use it.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Paul Spencer
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: David Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
>> > Sent: 18 February 2005 16:49
>> > To: Borras, John
>> > Cc: election-services@lists.oasis-open.org
>> > Subject: Re: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process -
>> one
>> > disabilities concern
>> >
>> >
>> > John,
>> >
>> > Sounds good.
>> >
>> > In the meantime we're enjoying ourselves throwing this around
>> > and getting a better understanding of the issues here, the
>> > needs - and then ultimately how EML can possibly
>> > contribute to this.
>> >
>> > I'm definately looking for help on this whole notion of
>> > a trusted process, how attainable is this, and what
>> > would be the potential action items to get there, with
>> > a viable V1.0 for OASIS?
>> >
>> > Thanks, DW
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Borras, John" <John.Borras@legsb.gov.uk>
>> > To: "David Webber " <david@drrw.info>; <sibain@tendotzero.com>;
>> > <dodds@conmergence.com>
>> > Cc: "Paul Spencer" <paul.spencer@boynings.co.uk>;
>> > <election-services@lists.oasis-open.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 11:13 AM
>> > Subject: RE: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process -
>> one
>> > disabilities concern
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi All
>> >
>> > Apologies to all for not getting involved in this discussion and for
>> not
>> > replying to David/Simon's earlier enquiry re EML and the OASIS
>> > TC. Life is
>> > very hectic here just now with the launch of a new certification
> service.
>> >
>> > I will be organising a meeting of the TC in near future to
>> > discuss a number
>> > of issues, not least where do we go with EML now that v4 has been
> agreed,
>> > and we can take this discussion at that meeting - it may provide us
>> with
> a
>> > future piece of work.
>> >
>> > So bear with me and I'll play catch up asap.
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Simon Bain [mailto:sibain@tendotzero.com]
>> > Sent: 18 February 2005 14:31
>> > To: dodds@conmergence.com
>> > Cc: 'Paul Spencer'; 'David Webber ';
>> > election-services@lists.oasis-open.org
>> > Subject: RE: [election-services] Defining a trusted voting process -
>> one
>> > disabilities concern
>> >
>> >
>> > Ed.
>> >
>> > As somebody who has MS I can only agree with your sentiment. These
> issues
>> > though I would have thought are for the politicians to ponder, naval
> gaze
>> > and ultimately probably maybe ignore.
>> >
>> > The fact of secure voting processes should be open to all however
>> before
>> > this is possible a process must be put into place.
>> >
>> > All the best
>> > Simon
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>> >
>> > <quote who="Ed Dodds">
>> > > FWIW: The discussion I've seen in the disabilities community
>> > has been over
>> > > the import of the paper receipt. What doesn't seem to be brought up
>> is
>> > > that
>> > > a lot of polling places aren't accessible -- and even when they
>> > are, there
>> > > isn't enough accessible transportation to get those with
>> disabilities
> to
>> > > the
>> > > polls. While I praise the ideal of universally accessible polling
> places
>> > > my
>> > > cynicism says they and the paper ballot issue are currently
>> > > (functionallly)
>> > > being used as a red herring issue put out by those who don't want
>> the
>> > > disabilities community to seriously consider UUID voting by the net,
>> > > phone,
>> > > fax, ATM, IM, email, set top box, what have you -- and as a
>> > result -- FWD
>> > > are currently unable to vote and would be for the foreseeable
>> > future -- if
>> > > the transportation issue isn't met -- and there is no political
>> > will to do
>> > > so -- because folks with disabilities can't vote for it. (Anyone
>> want
> to
>> > > ride on my vicious cycle? :-))
>> > >
>> > > Ed Dodds
>> > >
>> > >>I think paper is a red herring to placate a few Luddites. Far more
>> > > important is the issue of intimidation, which applies to many
>> systems
>> > > including postal votes.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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