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Subject: Fwd: Re: [CAP] CAP Security Using Digital Signatures


Number four.

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>From: Art Botterell <acb@incident.com>
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>Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:32:12 -0700
>Subject: Re: [CAP] CAP Security Using Digital Signatures
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>Interesting link, Matt.  Sounds like an object lesson on why we 
>should resist the temptation to standardize what we don't yet 
>understand.
>
>I was thinking we might wind up proposing an erratum to OASIS to fix 
>the schema issue, but hadn't appreciated that cannonicalization was 
>still proving so intractable.  Although that article is from 2004, I 
>take it the C14N situation hasn't improved.  So maybe it would make 
>more sense to identify (and demonstrate!) alternate approaches that 
>could be fed back into the standard.
>
>My concern is that if we don't address the end-to-end signature 
>problem as a community there might not be a business incentive for 
>any particular implementer to design for that level of 
>interoperability.  
>And while the OASIS process usually does a good job of refining and 
>ratifying contributed designs, it seems not to be as effective as a 
>framework for developing those designs in the first place.
>
>- Art
>
>
>
>On Mar 12, 2009, at 3/12/09 5:59 AM, matt hoffman wrote:
>
>>I did a proof-of-concept implementation of this on a previous DHS 
>>system. Although, as you say, there was no way of verifying it with 
>>other providers or consumers at the time.
>>However, a couple of points that I recall:
>>
>>a.) The document mentions that the signature element can be a child 
>>of "alert", but unless I'm mistaken it is not specified in the 
>>schema.  So messages containing signatures fail schema validation 
>>... I had to explicitly add it to the schema.
>>
>>b.) The signatures are delicate, and tricky: 
>>http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/xmlsec.txt
>>
>>Unfortunately I no longer have access to that code, but I'd be 
>>happy to help others if they're looking into it.
>>
>>
>>- matt
>>
>>On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Art Botterell <acb@incident.com> wrote:
>>Friends -
>>
>>We're moving rapidly toward an important threshold in CAP 
>>implementations.  So far, most CAP-based systems have been 
>>self-contained, single vendor/implementer arrangements.  But soon 
>>we're going to need to "federate" CAP traffic among multiple 
>>interoperable systems.  And that has important implications for 
>>security.
>>
>>Most current systems use a trusted-link/trusted-host mode based on 
>>encrypted network links and password access control at a central 
>>server.  That's a familiar Web 1.0 approach and it works fine for 
>>"single-hop" implementations.  But it has a major drawback: As soon 
>>as messages are forwarded from one server to another, a security 
>>compromise anywhere can compromise the authentication and integrity 
>>of all CAP messages downstream.
>>
>>The alternative, of course, is to apply digital signatures to CAP 
>>messages at their origin, and to verify them at receiving points.  
>>That way, it doesn't matter if the links or intervening nodes are 
>>secure or not; any recipient can verify independently that the 
>>message is a) from who it says it's from, and b) hasn't been 
>>modified in transit.
>>
>>There's a standard way of doing this for XML, as cited in the CAP 
>>Specification:
>>
>>>3.3.2.1 Digital Signatures
>>>The alert element of a CAP Alert Message MAY have an Enveloped 
>>>Signature, as described by XML Signature and
>>>Syntax Processing [XMLSIG]. Other XML signature mechanisms MUST 
>>>NOT be used in CAP Alert Messages.  Processors
>>>MUST NOT reject a CAP Alert Message containing such a signature 
>>>simply because they are not capable of verifying
>>>it; they MUST continue processing and MAY inform the user of their 
>>>failure to validate the signature.
>>
>>But I'm not aware of anyone that's implemented it yet... partly 
>>because it hasn't been necessary in stand-alone systems, and partly 
>>because it involves a type of programming a lot of folks haven't 
>>had occasion to explore yet.
>>
>>But ultimately, it's going to be essential for interoperability. 
>>So I'd be interested in hearing, has anyone implemented XMLSIG on 
>>CAP yet?  And would anyone be interested in doing some 
>>interoperability experiments?  The standard is there, the 
>>technology is there (in Java and a number of other languages) and I 
>>see the requirement bearing down on us quickly.
>>
>>What say?
>>
>>- Art
>>
>>
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