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Subject: [emergency] RE: [emergency-gis] Re: [emergency] Groups - CAP 1.1Subcommittee Draft (CAP_1.1-draft_1-4-05) uploaded


At 11:54 AM -0500 1/18/05, David Danko wrote:
>  I thought CAP used WGS coordinates (unprojected) so we wouldn't have the
>problem with differnt projections.

As I understand it, the question here is about how best to describe a 
particular typographic convention, not about reopening the whole 
projections question.

Carl, I looked at the OGC documents and couldn't find a direct 
reference that seemed to go to this particular point... and adopting 
the whole document looked like a much broader proposition... although 
I'm clearly not the most qualified person to go looking through GIS 
specs.

If you're seriously suggesting the TC consider adopting these 
documents entire, seems like that could be discussed, although I 
wonder if it might be more appropriate in the CAP 2.0/EDXL timeframe. 
Otherwise, would you like to propose a simple citation that would 
address this particular point?

- Art

>
>DAve
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Carl Reed
>To: ktrails@comcast.net
>Cc: acb@incident.com; emergency-gis@lists.oasis-open.org;
>emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
>Sent: 1/18/2005 11:27 AM
>Subject: [emergency-gis] Re: [emergency] Groups - CAP 1.1 Subcommittee Draft
>(CAP_1.1-draft_1-4-05) uploaded
>
>Got this. Will discuss in the GIS SC.  Of course, if OASIS CAP
>referenced
>the OGC/ISO Spatial Referencing by Coordinates (Coordinate Reference
>System) standards and EPSG as the normative reference for CRS
>parameters,
>there would be no issue :-) Also, if CAP is used outside the US, the
>proposed approach for "signing coordinates" runs into serious problems
>in
>a number of countries - such as South Africa, which uses the Lo-Gauss
>projection.
>Cheers
>
>Carl
>
>>  Actually, I sent the same language to Allen Wyke
>>  who posted it to this list July 14, 2004 :-)
>>
>>  -jeff
>>
>>  On Jan 18, 2005, at 6:39 AM, Art Botterell wrote:
>>
>>>  At last, a constructive suggestion!  Personally I'd have no problem
>>>  with that suggested language, although my opinion isn't what matters.
>>>   I think this issue was referred back to the GIS subcommittee last
>>>  week, so I'm forwarding this to them.
>>>
>>>  Thanks!
>>>
>>>  - Art
>>>
>>>  At 5:44 AM -0600 1/18/05, Jeff Kyser wrote:
>>>>  Still seems to me that the following is clearer
>>>>  and more precise (Section 3.3.1):
>>>>
>>>>	Latitudes in the Southern Hemisphere and longitudes in the
>>>>	Western Hemisphere are signed negative with a leading dash.
>>>>
>>>>  (as opposed to 'Coordinates in the Southern and Western Hemispheres
>>>>  ...')
>>>>
>>>>  A similar sentence has been added to Section 1.5, it would benefit
>>>>  from
>>>>  the same language.
>>>>
>>>>  -jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Jan 9, 2005, at 10:14 PM, Art Botterell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Bob -
>>>>>
>>>>>  Your concern was discussed at some length by both the GIS and
>>>>>  Messaging Subcommittees.  During the 11/30 call the Messaging
>>>>>  Subcommittee took up Issue 14 and voted to stick with this
>>>>>  formulation, which is in line with GIS industry and ISO usage.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Of course you're welcome to offer an amendment to the full TC for
>>>>>  discussion on our next call, hopefully with some specific alternate
>>>>>   language.  After that it'll be up to the Committee.
>>>>>
>>>>>  - Art
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  At 10:35 PM -0500 1/9/05, Bob Wyman wrote:
>>>>>>  Art Botterell wrote:
>>>>>>>   The CAP 1.1 spec as approved by the Messaging Subcommittee.
>>>>>>>  Please
>>>>>>>   review for approval to move it to public comment ASAP.
>>>>>>	In the issues list for the CAP specification, it is stated that
>>>>>>  issue 14 would be addressed in 1.1... Yet, the offending and
>>>>>>  non-sensical
>>>>>>  sentence "Coordinates in the Southern and Western hemispheres are
>>>>>>  signed
>>>>>>  negative with a leading dash." remains in the specification. As I
>>>>>>  have been
>>>>>>  saying, since before 1.0 was approved by this working group,
>>>>>>  "coordinates"
>>>>>>  can't be signed -- only the components of a coordinate can be
>  >>>>> signed.
>>>>>>	I suggest that an effort should be made to incorporate committed
>>>>>>  changes to the specification before it is released for public
>>>>>>  comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>	bob wyman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>  From: acb@incident.com [mailto:acb@incident.com]
>>>>>>  Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 6:33 PM
>>>>>>  To: emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
>>>>>>  Subject: [emergency] Groups - CAP 1.1 Subcommittee Draft
>>>>>>  (CAP_1.1-draft_1-4-05) uploaded
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The CAP 1.1 spec as approved by the Messaging Subcommittee.
>Please
>>>>>>    review
>>>>>>  for approval to move it to public comment ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  - Art
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   -- Art Botterell
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  The document named CAP 1.1 Subcommittee Draft
>>>>>>  (CAP_1.1-draft_1-4-05) has
>>>>>>  been submitted by Art Botterell to the OASIS Emergency Management
>>>>>>  TC document repository.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Document Description:
>>>>>>  A draft update to the CAP specification incorporating issues
>>>>>>  identified to
>>>>>>  date.  Approved by the Messaging Subcommittee on 1/4/05.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Download Document:
>>>>>>  http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/
>>>>>>  download.php/10905/CA
>>>>>>  P_1.1-draft_1-4-05
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  View Document Details:
>>>>>>  http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/emergency/
>>>>>>  document.php?document
>>>>>>  _id=10905
>>>>>>
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