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Subject: RE: [emergency] Use Case


Thanks Mary.

Best wishes for your nephew.

Cheers,
Rex

At 10:54 AM -0400 4/18/08, Mary McRae wrote:
>Thanks Rex!
>
>Let me know if there's anything I can do to help. It sounds like it might also
>be something for the adoption subcommittee to handle in terms of 
>"implementation
>guidelines" or "best practices" maybe?
>
>And thanks for the thoughts and prayers - my nephew is actually on 
>his way home
>from the hospital after having a golf-ball-sized brain tumor removed on
>Wednesday. All indications are that it was benign although it will be a week
>before the final pathology reports are in.
>
>Mary
>
>>  -----Original Message-----
>>  From: Rex Brooks [mailto:rexb@starbourne.com]
>>  Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:12 AM
>>  To: mary.mcrae@oasis-open.org; 'David RR Webber (XML)'; 'Alessandro
>>  Triglia'
>>  Cc: 'Elysa Jones'; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
>>  Subject: RE: [emergency] Use Case
>>
>>  Hi Mary,
>>
>>  In various exchanges, we have arrived at what I think will be the
>>  consensus, and it matches a) and b).
>>
>>  We are concerned with obtaining the Statements of Use mostly, but
>>  also with encouraging adoption and implementation. The EIC wanted us
>>  to provide guidance, (hoping to encourage some members of that org,
>>  or associates of that org to join OASIS, too) and that's what we are
>>  doing.
>>
>>  Cheers,
>>  Rex
>>
>>  At 9:47 AM -0400 4/18/08, Mary McRae wrote:
>>  >Hi folks,
>>  >
>>  >   Sorry for interjecting again. When I read the previous messages, I
>>  >thought that some companies (non-OASIS members) wanted to be able to
>>  >say that their product/service/etc conformed to a particular
>>  >specification and therefore needed an actual conformance statement
>>  >in the specification so that they would know what the requirements
>>  >are. (i.e. certification/compliance). As David says, you can't build
>>  >conformance/compliance tests without knowing exactly what is
>>  >required and what is optional in various scenarios. Now I'm getting
>>  >the impression that this is tied to the OASIS TC Process requirement
>>  >for 3 Statements of Use that must be submitted in order to move
>>  >forward with an OS Submission ballot. Those Statements of Use:
>>  >a)      Should say exactly what is required by the TC Process, no
>>  >less (and most often, no more)
>>  >b)      Must be from OASIS Organizational Members
>>  >
>>  >My apologies for not being thoroughly engaged in the overall
>>  >conversation; I've spent the last few days worrying about a close
>>  >family member and many hours at the hospital, but I don't want to
>>  >see the TC spending cycles that may result in over-engineering ;-)
>>  >
>>  >Regards,
>>  >
>>  >Mary
>>  >
>>  >From: David RR Webber (XML) [mailto:david@drrw.info]
>>  >Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 1:04 PM
>>  >To: Alessandro Triglia
>>  >Cc: 'Elysa Jones'; emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
>  > >Subject: RE: [emergency] Use Case
>>  >
>>  >In the past these have been two completely separate activities.
>>  >
>>  >Once the specification is approved - then compliance and conformance
>>  >activities can be established.
>>  >
>>  >However - OASIS has attempted to tighten the onus on members making
>>  >statements of use and validation of the specification - so they are
>>  >not superficial.
>>  >
>>  >I would suggest that we still have to take these things in good
>>  >faith - and trust that the level of due diligence is sufficient.
>>  >
>>  >"Your actual mileage may vary" is the phrase that constantly resonates
>>  here.
>>  >
>>  >For example - vendor X or agency Z may be going full bore on a major
>>  >implementation of specification Y with a 20 man team working around
>>  >the clock.  One expects that they will have thrown a ton of dirt out
>>  >of the hole and found most of the rocks by now - and that feedback
>>  >be passed to the TC.
>>  >
>>  >Conversely - another TC maybe producing a specification that is 2 to
>  > >3 years ahead of where the market currently is.  This may be a small
>>  >group - or a research department - close to the theory and practice
>>  >in the domain - but nevertheless - producing a new paradigm.  One
>>  >expects that implementation will be based on testbeds and
>>  >experimental inclusion into production test systems - to verify a
>>  >subset of function.
>>  >
>>  >The key here is that people want to know when they vote on something
>>  >that it has at least been tried in some capacity and been found to
>>  >be successfully applicable.  Therefore the statements of use should
>>  >give indication of the scope and extent.
>>  >
>>  >As always - people expect a V1.0 specification to mature over time -
>>  >while a Version 3.0 clearly represents substantial investment and
>>  >feedback.
>>  >
>>  >In between is a large amount of outreach and hand holding to take a
>>  >specification from the drawing board to wide adoption and use.
>>  >Bottom line is we really need to leave it up to each member to make
>>  >a statement they are comfortable with - and then to either accept
>>  >that - or require additional members in order to cover the breadth
>>  >we may sense is needed.
>>  >
>>  >Thanks, DW
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >-------- Original Message --------
>>  >Subject: RE: [emergency] Use Case
>>  >From: "Alessandro Triglia" <sandro@oss.com>
>>  >Date: Thu, April 17, 2008 11:07 am
>>  >To: "'Elysa Jones'" <ejones@warningsystems.com>,
>>  ><emergency@lists.oasis-open.org>
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >In my view this is straightforward. The statement of use should be
>>  strictly
>>  >based upon the conformance clause. We can't set requirements for a
>>  >statement of use that are more stringent than the conformance requirements
>>  >specified in the standard itself.
>>  >
>>  >If the conformance section of a standard says that an implementation "X"
>>  is
>>  >conformant if and only if it does "Y", then all that the statement of use
>>  >really needs to say is something like, "Here is an implementation X of
>>  this
>>  >standard, which I certify to be conformant to the standard".
>>  >
>>  >If the standard specifies multiple conformance targets, the statement of
>>  use
>>  >needs to say which target is being referred to.
>>  >
>>  >If the standard specifies multiple conformance classes or levels, the
>>  >statement of use needs to say which conformance class or conformance level
>>  >is being referred to.
>>  >
>>  >In other words, in my view, a statement of use should simply state that
>>  the
>>  >OASIS member organization has created an implementation of a standard and
>>  >should contain a conformance claim about that implementation. Like any
>>  >other conformance claim, that conformance claim should simply and very
>>  >clearly reference the particular conformance target, conformance class,
>>  >conformance level, and any conformance options that are specified in the
>>  >standard (if any).
>>  >
>>  >The conformance section of RM (as of today) doesn't say that
>>  implementations
>>  >must support a complete lifecycle of a successful resource deployment.
>>  >Therefore we cannot impose that kind of requirement on the statement of
>>  use.
>>  >If the TC believes that all implementations of RM should really support a
>  > >complete lifecycle of a successful resource deployment, then we should
>>  >change the standard to specify that requirement either in the conformance
>>  >section or elsewhere.
>>  >
>>  >Alessandro
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >>  -----Original Message-----
>>  >>  From: Elysa Jones [mailto:<#Compose>ejones@warningsystems.com]
>>  >>  Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:30
>>  >>  To: <>emergency@lists.oasis-open.org
>>  >>  Subject: [emergency] Use Case
>>  >>
>>  >>  TC Members,
>>  >>
>>  >>  We would like to nail down the TC's consensus on what
>>  >>  constitutes a "Use case" in our Standards. Most of you have
>>  >>  been aware of this topic but we have not nailed down a
>>  >>  position. We must do this before we can make the big push to
>>  >>  get use cases for HAVE and RM.
>>  >>
>>  >>  This topic came up during the EIC meeting yesterday. There
>>  >>  are several EIC members that know of companies that may want
>>  >>  to be the first or one of the first to advertise such a use
>>  >>  case. We need to give them specific wording on what
>  > >>  constitutes this "use". OASIS requires the statement to be
>>  >>  in agreement with the conformance clause of the
>>  >>  specification. We as a TC can cause this to be more or less
>>  >>  stringent and there are schools of thought on both.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Please review the two positions on the matter identified
>>  >>  below and respond to the list on your preference. Although
>>  >>  this does not require a formal vote of the TC, I want to make
>>  >>  sure we have a good understanding and consensus on how we proceed.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Position 1:
>>  >>
>>  >>  * Comply with the full element reference model - required
>>  >>  elements at a minimum. If a message is sent that complies
>>  >>  with the ERM, then you can be compliant with any of the
>>  >>  specific messages.
>>  >>  * Deliver a RequestResource message and a
>>  >>  ResponsetoRequestResource message (just 2 messages).
>>  >>
>>  >>  If a vendor does either or, for purposes of statement of use
>>  >>  and getting the standard out the door, this should be the
>>  >>  minimum requirement.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Position 2:
>>  >>
>>  >>  * Agreed with position 1
>>  >>  * A complete lifecycle of a "successful" Resource
>>  >>  Deployment should be the minimum:
>>  >>
>>  >>  RequestResource >
>>  >>  ResponseToRequestResource >
>>  >>  RequisitionResource >
>>  >>  CommitResource >
>>  >>  ReleaseResource.
>>  >>
>>  >>  The messages about the deployment, requesting information,
>>  >>  release, etc are not necessary, just the 5 listed.
>>  >>
>>  >>  NOW - please make your comments to the list. The Mst/Not SC
>>  >  > will schedule a meeting either Fri (4/18) or Mon (4/21) to
>>  >>  discuss. From this a recommendation will be made. Respond
>>  >>  to this message too with which date and what times you would
>>  >>  be available.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Regards,
>>  >>  Elysa Jones
>>  >>  Chair, OASIS EM-TC
>>  >>  CTO/COO
>>  >>  Warning Systems, Inc.
>>  >>
>>  >
>>  >
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