RE: Ramping up to speed

["Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@ingr.com>]

I also have about a 60 page MS Word document of notes and excerpts from

research material I made during the first phase.   These are completely

unorganized so not good linear reading except in sections.  Also, they

include sometimes unattributed bits from the research materials, so

are unpublishable.  Under fair use, I can send these to individuals who

want to wade through them for background on ideas that we eventually

synthesized on the list.   We can't post it on a site and we can't use

it as any kind of official document, but it someone wants an intrigueing

stack of late night reading, I'll send it to them.

 

Len
http://www.mp3.com/LenBullard

Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti.
Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h

-----Original Message-----
From: Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga [mailto:rkthunga@humanmarkup.org]
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 8:00 AM
To: humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Ramping up to speed

Many people are joining only in the last couple of days (new contributors:  i'd like to hear yeah's and nay's) Reviewing past work may be too high a requirement for most new contributors (let alone keeping up with the voluminous posts) so we want to make it newcomers can share their insight as easily as possible.

 

We will be centered around 4 main areas, which we have reviewed and informally established during Phase 0.  This takes into account making sure we progress systematically (framework based strongly on Manos's suggestions).  Everyone is invited to jump in with ideas in this regard. I'll bring this up now and again over the course of the next 3 weeks, for people just joining.

 

The primary scope of discussion before 1st meeting is simply to bring to "Working Draft" Status four main areas...with the intent:

1) to formalize domains (taxonomies we will use)

2) to formalize how applications can use HumanML

3) to formalize what design requirements are necessary

4) to formalize TC deliverables.

 

These will serve as our agenda for the meeting. 

I'll post raw drafts on the TC site later today. 

 

Additionally, as Len mentioned we should feel free to noodle around with XML Schema and RDF Schema implementations, and review all other preexisting documents especially the Class Hierarchy available at the http://groups.yahoo.com/group/humanmarkup/files.  This will certainly be of benefit.  However, the take home message to all newcomers is that there are no prerequisites to participating.

 

So, jump right in with your thoughts, backgrounds, and ideas...

 

Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga

rkthunga@humanmarkup.org

(646) 456-9076

----- Original Message -----

From: Bullard, Claude L (Len)

To: Kurt Cagle ; Rex Brooks ; Sean B. Palmer ; humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org

Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:20 PM

Subject: RE: HumanMarkup Reservations

It will help if you:

 

Review the existing schema work.

 

Look at the samples created on the Yahoo list

 

Look at the repository of work at the Yahoo server.

 

and comment on those.

 

Things such as RDF and XML Schemas are just tools. 

The two domains that were more seminal than any other

were semiotics and hermaneutics.   Looking at it from

the schemas perspective, we need a set of types for

enabling the application language designer to work

with.  In a sense, that makes a HumanML schema

something like a toolkit.   The genre language idea

is one application of that.

 

If we are still jockeying, we are dead.  We just

spent some months getting our arms around this.

If we are about to open all that up again, then

the scoping will kill us as everyone piles on.

 

Len
http://www.mp3.com/LenBullard

Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti.
Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h

-----Original Message-----
From: cagle@olywa.net [mailto:cagle@olywa.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:06 AM
To: Rex Brooks; Sean B. Palmer; humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Subject: Re: HumanMarkup Reservations

Rex,

 

I have to admit that I'm reaching that not so young category myself very quickly, but I think there are a few points here that would probably be worth establishing:

 

1) Domains. We'll be jockeying on this one until the Sept 17 meeting, but I'm trying to figure out exactly which domains HumanML is most specifically targeting. So far I've seen passing mention to:

• RDF & Relational Mapping
• Avatars (X3D-H-Anim)
• Agents (?)
• Psychological Vocabularies
• Cultural Anthropology & Art

What other domains are we looking at in this respect? I look at this from the standpoint that we could be choosing as a charter to create maps to "everything else" and then get so bogged down in this task that the whole becomes an exercise in academic absurdity.

 

2) Repositories. Mailing Lists have slightly less transience than most other forms of e-mail because you can archive and digest it, but it has some significant limitations for long term memory.  It may behoove us to set up a repository of ideas, a place where we can both put up potential application concepts and can also start pulling together instances of other activity that may have direct or indirect bearing on HumanML.

 

3) Media. Just a quick note, but this WG is likely to be the subject of intense media interest. When Carol made a press release about it yesterday, it ended up on Slashdot, and spawned a MAJOR discussion. I'm going to try to cull some of the more interesting commentary there, but the point I wished to raise is that this group is going to end up being more visible to the layman than almost anything else that either OASIS or the W3C is doing at this point simply because it is (more or less) understandable in lay terms. Everyone has their own idea about what goes into describing a human being, while the discussion about business processes or alternative schemas are for the most part too esoteric for all but a small group of people to be really interested in.

 

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled program.