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Subject: RE: [humanmarkup] food for thought
Not looking it up, but we took up the subjects of ragas, dance drama, etc. Someone asked a similar question. The best one might do is specify the emotion, then provide a list of resources (say clips, phrases, etc) and ASSERT these are related by the named emotion. This is interpretive work and the hermaneutics folks have a heckuva time on such subjects. Then everyone argues about that. It is the authority problem sometimes discussed in threads about the usefulness of knowledge bases. One accepts that kind of assertion or refutes it, but it turns on local votes and the extent of time the assertion is in effect, so it comes down to popular sentiment or as the topic map heads say, just opinions. On the other hand, shared opinions consitute a kind of culture and one can capture that and make certain predictions. CCR and Maria Muldaur? Really! So I'm not the only PsychoTrope here. I thought we were a Dead culture. Len http://www.mp3.com/LenBullard Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti. Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h -----Original Message----- From: Sean B. Palmer [mailto:sean@mysterylights.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 3:01 PM To: humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org Cc: michael_lacy@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [humanmarkup] food for thought [Ignoring the scientific implications here...] > Music is often considered as a "universal" language for > emotion that can be understood by all people from > different backgrounds. It can be listened to by the majority of people, and the majority of them can be moved by at least some kinds of music... but not all in necessarily the same way. Although some pieces of music may be gloomier than others, people would still write down a different set of emotions and feelings; try it. Next time you're at a party, or some social gathering with music, ask people what they really think of the music. Some people equate certain pieces of music with eventys in their lives. I'm currently listening to Proud Mary, by CCR, and I can connect that to a whole host of events: the first time I heard it, the time I reslised that one of the tunes in The Simpsons was a mild rip off of it, some people that I know who could be characters in the song... So although music is certainly something that's universally enjoyed, it cannot be universally interpreted. I found this most annoying as a songwriter. Often, I would write a song with a particular theme in mind. When I played it to other people (even other band members), they'd re-interpret it in their own terms. Sometimes they'd get close to the kind of feel, but sometimes they'd take something totally different from it. That's how bands work: as one of the members of Led Zeppeling said (I forget who, now), "our music comes from the spaces between us". It was the same with The Beatles: Lennon and McCartney together were more than the sum of their parts (although individually they were legends too... but then, that's The Beatles for you). As far as HumanMarkup is concerned, I wasn't aware that some work had been done already on this. I must have missed it (can someone dig up a pointer for me?). It would be interesting to get people to simply write down how a particular set of songs make them feel, and annotate the scores with HumanML. This could be a collaborative kind of thing. Of course, there are some things you can never express, and no amount of HumanML is going to "rectify" that, because it doesn't need to be rectified. We discussed that a lot in Phase 0, and don't need to repeat it, but it is a useful axiom to keep in mind. But if HumanML can make it easier for songwriters to say, "er... well, this is kind of what I was getting at", perhaps it will be a start. Note that in the WAI, some members (well, one member) is playing with sound icons to augment comprehension of documents. But of course, the sound clips are very difficult to choose: not as easy as simply stringing a few words together. Relationships between sound icons and documents is something that we could investigate: the technological problem of how to embed the information neatly into any generic XML content language. Perhaps we could come up with some modules for doing so: kinda like XHTML modules, but for attaching and describing sound objects. The object module + RDF metadata, perhaps? Could be fun, but difficult to invoke the right response from users... people like using pens to fill in boxes, not to create those boxes. We have to create those boxes for them. P.S. Now playing "Midnight At The Oasis", by Maria Muldaur" :-) -- Kindest Regards, Sean B. Palmer @prefix : <http://webns.net/roughterms/> . :Sean :hasHomepage <http://purl.org/net/sbp/> . ---------------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>
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