RE: [humanmarkup-comment] of the uses of HML

[paul <beadmaster@ontologystream.com>]

The problem is this.

David said:

"My paper at the Knowledge technology
conference and a paper at XML Orlando last year showed code and narrative as
to how a formative or dynamically constructed collection of contexts are
used by the computer to form situatedness."

but from first principles, the computer program cannot form situatedness in
the physical sense.  In a formal sense the notion of situatedness is absent
many of the qualities that are present in the physical presence.  Being
situated in a present moment is what a formalism cannot do.  It takes a
natural system to be situated in the present moment, and to confuse the
formal systems (that are abstractions "about" addressable and
non-addressable subjects) is to make what we in general systems theory call
the Rosen Category Error (since Robert Rosen exposed this error with some
skill.)

I have long felt that there must be great value in your work, David; but the
work must fail to achieve what is claimed - unless deepened in specific
fashion.  Or the concepts, such as in your use of "situatedness", must
eliminate qualities of the natural world so as to treat the natural world in
an artificial fashion.  I know that this is not your intent - to treat the
world as an artificial construct just so that that theory works out.  But
everyone does this, yes?

The first principles needed for knowledge technology systems are not part of
our culture, and so it is understandable that we stuggle with the proper
grounding of the concept of scope, of situatedness and with stratified
complexity.

In the past, the argument has often been (between you and I) as to whether
of not what I write and say is comprehensible to anyone who has a computer
science degree (for example).  The critisicm as always been, by you and by
others in the Topic Map community, that my work and the work that I make
extensive reference to in :

http://www.bcngroup.org/area3/pprueitt/book.htm

are simply too difficult for the technical community to understand.

However, I must speak up when terms like "situatedness" is used in a fashion
that is simply not properly referenced into the literature that is being
created on stratified complexity.  I am not absolutely sure, but I think
that I actually was the first in the community to put "ness" on to the end
of the word "situatated".

For example in:

http://www.ontologystream.com/prueitt/whitePapers/Situationedness.htm

in June 2001.


My challange to you is to deepen the work, and to make the distinctions that
are required so that the technical solutions that you offer find a place of
value, without closing off the understanding that the computer program is an
artificial construct that can not find situatedness in the physical sense.
(Yes this seems paradoxical...  but paradoxes is what one finds in formal
thinking.)

The paradox is best stated in the form : "computer programs (and formal
constructs like mathematics) are not natural systems."  This seems simple.
Yes?


-----Original Message-----
From: David Dodds [mailto:drdodds42@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 3:30 AM
To: humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org
Cc: rexb@starbourne.com; drdodds42@hotmail.com
Subject: [humanmarkup-comment] of the uses of HML



Hi everyone

As I have mentioned before; in the conference KT2002, Knowledge
Technologies, I had several papers there and one of them was about using HML
as a means of subject indication (topic maps) for  a graph based system
which supports Demassian cognitive processing. I explained how XGGDM, an
XML-based graph representation language was used to represent formative
subgraphs based on events (I hesitate to use the word "experiences" even in
quote marks) of  a represented "graph forming author".

I used a modified version of the HML controlled vocabulary (taxonomy), and
gave a reference to where the modified version could be viewed. I can put a
copy of my modifed HML taxonomy into a posting here if there is sufficient
interest.

Since that time Ive been developing further XML software which includes a
taxonomy for spatial nomenclature to be used with further development of my
Lakoff-deBono XML-SVG animated diagrams. The point of the diagrams is that
they are understandable by both humans na dby computer programs, and provide
an "analog" means of communicating with a digital system about such things
as social concepts/perceptions. My paper at the Knowledge technology
conference and a paper at XML Orlando last year showed code and narrative as
to how a formative or dynamically constructed collection of contexts are
used by the computer to form situatedness.

I have also been working on a modest taxonomy for "linguistic hedges" which
can be used to provide parameterization of the HML terms used in say a
subject indicator usage scenario. While XTMs current scope control provides
the ability to use other topics nodes as "scoping" my 'diagram' work
requires a parameterization of terms so that they are not just used/not used
or on/off or whatever binary distinction title one wishes to use. I have
tried considering using Hytime time representation and have some hems and
haws about that. I look forward to development of a time/epoch/era
representation which is more organic than HT.

I also would like to point out that in my book WROX Professional XML Meta
Data, i showed the usage of spatial terms that were defined actively
(formatively) and according to situation, rather than fixedd as vocabulary
terms in a carved in granite ontology. I look forward to our group
developing dynamic = formative ontologies and i think that there is room for
cros-polenization )of knowledge, if not technique) with the various upper
ontology and dynamic ontology groups that are out there. We  may find it
fruitful to discuss "microtheories" in our development of time/epoch/era
which allow ""intelligent"" flow of processing to occur in the computer.
humans have these (or equivalent/better) as BACKGROUND knowledge in jus
tabout any culture. these microtheries are like link nodes/hubs which allow
similar or related "time repsentations" to functionally coexist with out
being identical.


David Dodds


_________________________________________________________________
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx


----------------------------------------------------------------
To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription
manager: <http://lists.oasis-open.org/ob/adm.pl>