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Subject: [humanmarkup-comment] July Meeting Minutes
- From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
- To: humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org, humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:31:59 -0700
Title: July Meeting Minutes
Here are the TC Minutes, which I will link to this post Sunday, July
21, 2002 on the TC website.
July 17, 2002
Teleconference meeting of the OASIS HumanMarkup Technical
Committee.
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USA Toll Number: +1-773-756-0201
Roll Call:
Voting Members:
Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
Rex Brooks
Rob Nixon
Joe Norris
Kurt Cagle
Invited Experts:
Sylvia Candelaria deRam
Len Bullar
Minutes taken by TC Secretary Rex Brooks
Meeting convened12:10 p.m. Eastern Time
This meeting was on our normally scheduled third Wednesday of the
Month.
We had a bare quorum, so the decision without consent to proceed with
the Semiotic Application experiment proposed by Len Bullard has the
TC's approval.
Much of the meeting was absorbed with exploring the concept of a
semiotic application of sort that will be more determined as we
proceed. We also decided to renew our discussion of elements from the
Primary Base Schema simultaneously.
Our exploration of the concept of a semiotic application experiment
started with Len's explanation of where the impetus for this idea
arose. Basically, due to the fact that our discussions of the StrawMan
Toolkit from which the Primary Base Schema will evolve had reached a
point where we were seriously considering inclusion of concepts
fundamental to processing as opposed to strictly defining terms per
se.
What this stimulated was the idea that we needed a more fundamentally
grounded language--that is to say, a formulation of foundational terms
that are clearly at the correct and well-understood level of
abstraction with respect to the human communication process. Since we
are dealing with the basics of semiotics, that is sign, signal and
symbol, we agreed that this needs to be explored.
Len and Sylvia have both contributed major foundational messages to
the mailing list which form the basis of discussion, which they and we
will pursue to produce this experiment. Among the concepts at work in
this pursuit are: the notion of a term for communicating entity or
unit, a semiote; the concept of several contexts such as temporal,
cultural, sending or transmitting mesages and receiving messages as
directional processes that need to be well understood in the sense of
how a marked up signal needs to be clearly defined for this
experiment, and the particular term Len has proposed such as
<!ELEMENT sign (sign*, signifier, signified+, referent) > with
its attribute requirements.
This is an oversimplification for the purpose of keeping the minutes
within reasonable bounds, and the reader is referred to the
humanmarkup-comment mailing list archive to view the specific
messages.
Rex Brooks reported on the progress and reamification of the work he
is involved in with the Web Services for Interactive Applications TC,
with the recommendation that the HumnMarkup TC should discuss his
proposal that a statement be made concerning our view of the necessity
for a Bill of Rights for Individual Information Control and Security
for privacy and for verification purposes for the kinds of information
which HumanMarkup is positioned to add as greater depth information to
basic identification authentication and certification services.
This is also an oversimplification. It was suggested that this
statement be further discussed in the mailing lists.
We also heard a brief report from Rob Nixon on the progress of his
work in relation to Virtual Reality and Artificial Intelligence. He is
working on categorizing and tokenizing patterns of motion in gestures
as being associated with emotional states and/or as behavior in a
semiotics context.
It should be noted that Rob Nixon took on the task of maintaining a
simultaneous Instant Messaging session with Kurt Cagle, who
contributed his views on these topics, too.
The meeting took the entire hour allotted for it, and adjoured at 1:00
p.m. Eastern time.
This ends the minutes, what follows is the Secretary's own additional
comments.
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The discussions were lively and included many ideas and concepts that
are not reported in these minutes, and raise the issue of whether or
not we should consider recording our teleconferences if that is
possible.
One concept that emerged and was mentioned with regard to both the
semiotics discussion and the Bill of Rights for Individual Information
Control, and that was frame of reference. Mostly this was a catch-all
for the contextual information that various modules of the HumanMarkup
Language will codify, but it also occurs to this writer that this
concept might be a useful one for a similar kind of shorthand for
individual's to define for themselves using HumanMarkup terminology
and add to their own identification information at will to further
refine how web-based services and offers are configured to their
personal preferences.
--
Rex Brooks
Starbourne Communications Design
1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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