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Subject: [huml-comment] Revised February Minutes
- From: Rex Brooks <rexb@starbourne.com>
- To: humanmarkup-comment@lists.oasis-open.org, humanmarkup@lists.oasis-open.org
- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 05:12:07 -0800
Title: Revised February Minutes
Here are the revised minutes for this
month's meeting per Sylvia's suggestions:
Here are the TC Minutes, which I will link to this post Wednesday,
February 26, 2003 on the TC website.
February 19, 2003
Teleconference meeting of the OASIS HumanMarkup Technical
Committee.
USA Toll Free Number: 888-576-9014
USA Toll Number: +1-773-756-0201
Roll Call:
Voting Members:
Rex Brooks
Len Bullard
James Landrum
Sylvia Candelaria deRam
Rob Nixon
Ranjeeth Kumar Thunga
Minutes taken by TC Secretary Rex Brooks
Meeting convened12:05 p.m. Eastern Time
Previous meeting minutes accepted.
This meeting was on our normally scheduled third Wednesday of the
Month.
We had a quorum.
As usual, some of these items were actually discussed in a different
sequence from the posted agenda, but it is handier to summarize these
discussions by using the posted agenda.
Old Business:
The first item of business was a review of the presentation materials
being developed for the the International CIDOC Symposium, March 26,
27, 2003 in Washington, D.C.
James sent an outline to the TC list which indicated the materials on
hand and expected, to fulfill the theme of the Symposium,
"Sharing the Knowledge," in a way that introduces the Human
Markup Language effort, shows its purposes and represents the scope of
the endeavor. In addition, he asked for short biographical sketches of
the TC members because the TC and its membership will be cited as
authors in the scholarly paper which will accompany the slide and
animation presentation, which is being given an overall rough time
slot of 30 minutes of which ten will be presented by James and ten
will be presented by Sylvia with ten reserved for questions.
Of these materials, animations have been provided by Rob for full body
animation based on motion capture and extrapolation and Rex for facial
animation. Rex has supplied four jpeg images illustrating a
hypothetical Social Services Agency Use Case for Child Protective
Services. Rob has provided a similar series of images of
HumanML-enabled reports relating to personal information in use.
Sylvia said she had expanded into 20-some slides the accepted abstract
for
CIDOC-CRM presentation titled "Human Markup Language
(huml): Humanness Content and Sharing across Perspective
Shifts." She is including comparison of the CIDOC CRM which has
been rendered as an XML Schema and HumanML Primary Base Schema, much
of Emmaneul (Manos) Batsis work on HumanML in RDF, a brief historical
account of the HumanMarkup effort, its scope and aims all of which
will be accompanied by slides. This will be supplied shortly.
Len Bullard was asked to supply the biographical sketch, and it was
acknowledged that he and Sylvia have been designated official
"Invited Experts" and given one-year OASIS membership status
by the OASIS CEO.
Ranjeeth has supplied a sample html form which will become an
application, largely for his work as chair of the Conflict Resolution
Subcommittee, for showing how information can be supplied, and then
interpreted using HumanML. This will provide the textual accompaniment
for Rob's images.
There was a discussion of how this can operate as both a sample
implementation of the Primary Base Schema and a tool for gathering
information about what is needed in this area, and other areas
appropriate to this tool and a revived HumanMLWrite/Report App for the
purpose of starting work on the Secondary Base Schema.
As it turned out, Sylvia has parsed Ranjeeth's sample text informally
(not using a rigorous explicit ruleset) but fairly fully (using
pragmasemantics techniques) to illustrate how an interpretation could
be made from such samples, and this might find its way into the CIDOC
presentation. Ranjeeth also said that he might use it in his
attendance the next day at a State Department presentation and panel
discussion in Washington, D.C. the following day.
Len asked if anyone had thought to turn this kind of process for
gathering information around, reversing it so as to teach the
characteristics of cultures, as opposed to identifying cultural/social
implications from text using HumanML. During this digression, Rex said
that he would send Len some material he was gathering as part of his
participation in the recently formed Emergency Management TC--which
Rex said will have significance for HumanML, as well.
The remaining work to be done on CIDOC material was briefly
discussed.
The second item on the agenda was the need for Revised, harmonized
Mission Statements for the three Subcommittees we will now be pursung
more actively. Rex had posted such a revised Mission for the Human
Physical Characteristics Description Markup Language Subcommittee and
James noted that it was not accurate to describe it as a subset of
HumanML, and Rex agreed. It will be changed to read superset since
that is what these extensions will actually be, since they will
include the HumanML Primary Base Schema Specfication. Both Rob for
VR-AI and Ranjeeth for the renamed Conflict Resolution Subcommittees
said their Mission Statements would be forthcoming. The basic three
part format was agreed, with a Mission Statement which includes at
least a paragraph on Scope, a Values Statement for such overall
concepts as respect for individual rights to control of their own
vital information, and accuracy as guiding principles, and an
Objectives Statement with target milestone dates for specific
deliverables.
The third item on the agenda was the ongoing work of the subcommittees
and the progress toward Requirements revision. Rex said that he had
come to the conclusion that attempting to set a method for revising
the Primary Base Spec and the Secondary Base spec should not be
attempted now, but that working on the Secondary and the subcommittee
specialties would provide the information we need to fashion such a
method.
Rob said he would look into the Artificial Intelligence Markup
Languauge as part of his subcommittee work in response to a suggestion
from Len.
Ranjeeth said he would make a report which will also include
description of the E-gov TC work in which he is participating, on the
Department of State Open Forum Discussion on "e-Diplomacy: Using
Technology to Advance the Management and the Conduct of Foreign
Relations" being held Thursday, February 20, 2003.
James described, in context of Rob's work with his group at North
Dakota State University on the Native Dancer project, how there is a
need, which may relate to a number of areas, for a way to develop data
from and for qualitative assessments of project effectiveness in the
area of behavioral change or modification. In particular, this
discussion was concerned with HumanML's ability, which Rex cited in
the Social Services Use Case for the CIDOC presentation, to derive
data from collections of text documents. The issue is how to develop
qualitative data as well as quantitative data. Statistical Analysis
Systems and the Statistical Package for the Social Sciences were cited
as resources that need to be studied and improved upon.
Sylvia and James along with Len were concerned that simply providing a
means or methodology for generating numerical data from text
collections were inadequate for taking "cultural bias" into
account, nor for accommodating decisions and outcomes based on
subjective judgments. So it becomes apparent that we need to consider
how to build a sound, scientific basis for making qualitative
assessments.
Ranjeeth explained that the information he had from the Fund for the
City of New York for the possibility of developing a project to
produce a cognitive-assist for signing among non- or
poor-English-speaking parents would be updated March 17. He also
stated that his sources needed help in understanding XML and HumanML
in relation to it and how that could aid in their work in this
area.
James reported that the Native Dancer project was in hiatus until
hearing from NIH, but that he was working with Rob on what they have
recorded to date.
In relation to that tokenization and reproduction of systematized
human movement systems, such as Native American Dance, Sylvia noted
that there was another fully systematized and well-studied system in
Indian culture, called "mudrA" positions of Bharatanatyam
(bhArtnAtym)
classical dance. Rob said he would research it.
We finished at the after an hour and
adjourned.
--
Rex Brooks
Starbourne Communications Design
1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA 94702 *510-849-2309
http://www.starbourne.com * rexb@starbourne.com
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