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Subject: Re: [imi] Token profile issue with AppliesTo and AudienceRestriction
--Apple-Mail-205--858767365 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-204--858768617 --Apple-Mail-204--858768617 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thank Arun for me. John B. On 2009-12-15, at 7:28 PM, Mike Jones wrote: > Arun reviewed our discussion thread and decided to drop his objection. = This means that we can resolve issue IMI-28 as =93Won=92t Fix=94 or = whatever this issue tracker=92s equivalent is. As part of the = resolution, I=92ll make the corresponding change to the SAML 1.1 token = profile. > =20 > Arun=92s reasoning went as follows: > =20 > Actually, I had forgotten about the fact that the recommended default = behavior of selectors in the IMI spec was to NOT include the <AppliesTo> = element in the RST request, which really makes the default behavior = cater to IdP's that are non-auditing and issue "un-scoped" tokens. By = implication, the Selector sends the <AppliesTo> element only when the = IdP demands it or when the RP specifies it -- in either case, the client = including that info is an explicit expression of intent to restrict the = "scope" of the issued token. So I would agree with this assessment and = retract the original suggestion. > =20 > -- = Mike > =20 > From: John Bradley [mailto:jbradley@mac.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:22 AM > To: Mike Jones > Cc: 'imi@lists.oasis-open.org' > Subject: Re: [imi] Token profile issue with AppliesTo and = AudienceRestriction > =20 > The wsp:AppliesTo element in the RST is set by the user agent based on = the card. > =20 > The issuer has three choices 11.7 > =20 > The Issuer has complete control over everything but the optional case. > =20 > I think if the issuer has issued a Auditing or Auditing optional card = they MUST honour the ic:RequireAppliesTo in the RST. > =20 > If that is not a requirement of the SAML 1.1 tokens I will need to = revisit the ICAM profile. > We would need to make it a requirement if it is not covered in the IMI = spec. > =20 > We say the card must have the ic:RequireAppliesTo, I don't think we = called out that the STS must honour it. > =20 > If the RP issues unscoped tokens it shouldn't issue cards that say = they support scoped tokens. > =20 > John B. > On 2009-12-15, at 3:13 PM, Mike Jones wrote: >=20 >=20 > The SAML 2.0 token profile currently says: > If the request contains a <wsp:AppliesTo> element, then a = <saml:AudienceRestriction> containing a <saml:Audience> element MUST be = included with the value of that element. > =20 > As part of the review of the draft SAML 1.1 token profile, Arun Nanda = commented: =93This is overkill IMO. If an IdP is an open IdP that = issues =91unscoped=92 tokens for consumption by any RP, it should not be = forced to encode an audience in the issued token just because the = request included it. So, may be SHOULD is preferred here=85=94 > =20 > I tend to agree with Arun. I think we should make this change. = That=92s the language I=92m using in the 1.1 profile. After discussion, = I=92ll file an issue about this too. > =20 > -- = Mike > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-204--858768617 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 <html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://469/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: = break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: = after-white-space; ">Thank Arun for me.<div><br></div><div>John = B.<br><div><div>On 2009-12-15, at 7:28 PM, Mike Jones wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; = font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; = font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; = line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; = white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" = vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: = space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div = class=3D"Section1"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; = margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: = 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: = Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Arun reviewed our = discussion thread and decided to drop his objection. This means = that we can resolve issue<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><b><span = style=3D"color: black; "><a = href=3D"http://tools.oasis-open.org/issues/browse/IMI-28"; style=3D"color: = blue; text-decoration: underline; ">IMI-28</a></span></b><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: = rgb(31, 73, 125); "><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>as = =93Won=92t Fix=94 or whatever this issue tracker=92s equivalent = is. As part of the resolution, I=92ll make the corresponding = change to the SAML 1.1 token profile.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = ">Arun=92s reasoning went as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 10.5pt; font-family: Consolas; ">Actually, I had forgotten about the = fact that the recommended default behavior of selectors in the IMI spec = was to NOT include the <AppliesTo> element in the RST request, = which really makes the default behavior cater to IdP's that are = non-auditing and issue "un-scoped" tokens. By implication, the Selector = sends the <AppliesTo> element only when the IdP demands it or when = the RP specifies it -- in either case, the client including that info is = an explicit expression of intent to restrict the "scope" of the issued = token. So I would agree with this assessment and retract the original = suggestion.<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; = font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = "> = &n= bsp; &nbs= p; = &n= bsp; -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); = "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div><div style=3D"border-right-style: = none; border-bottom-style: none; border-left-style: none; border-width: = initial; border-color: initial; border-top-style: solid; = border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; = padding-top: 3pt; padding-right: 0in; padding-bottom: 0in; padding-left: = 0in; "><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: = 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New = Roman', serif; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, = sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>John Bradley = [mailto:jbradley@mac.com]<span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, December 15, 2009 = 11:22 AM<br><b>To:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mike = Jones<br><b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a = href=3D"mailto:'imi@lists.oasis-open.org" style=3D"color: blue; = text-decoration: underline; = ">'imi@lists.oasis-open.org</a>'<br><b>Subject:</b><span = class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [imi] Token profile = issue with AppliesTo and = AudienceRestriction<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The wsp:AppliesTo element = in the RST is set by the user agent based on the = card.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: = 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The issuer has three = choices 11.7<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">The Issuer has complete = control over everything but the optional = case.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">I think if the issuer has = issued a Auditing or Auditing optional card they MUST honour the = ic:RequireAppliesTo in the RST.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If that is not = a requirement of the SAML 1.1 tokens I will need to revisit the ICAM = profile.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">We would need to make it = a requirement if it is not covered in the IMI = spec.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">We say the card must have = the ic:RequireAppliesTo, I don't think we called out that the STS must = honour it.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">If the RP issues unscoped = tokens it shouldn't issue cards that say they support scoped = tokens.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">John = B.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">On 2009-12-15, at 3:13 = PM, Mike Jones wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; = "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The SAML 2.0 token profile = currently says:<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><p class=3D"standard" = style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; = font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-bottom: 4pt; "><span = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">If the = request contains a<span = class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; = "><wsp:AppliesTo></span><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; = "> </span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = Arial, sans-serif; ">element, then a<span = class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; = "><saml:AudienceRestriction></span><span = class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; = font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "> </span></span><span = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">containing = a<span class=3D"apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New'; = "><saml:Audience></span><span class=3D"apple-converted-space"><span = style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; = "> </span></span><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: = Arial, sans-serif; ">element MUST be included with the value of that = element.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">As part of = the review of the draft SAML 1.1 token profile, Arun Nanda = commented: =93This is overkill IMO. If an IdP is an open IdP that = issues =91unscoped=92 tokens for consumption by any RP, it should not be = forced to encode an audience in the issued token just because the = request included it. So, may be SHOULD is preferred = here=85=94<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I tend to = agree with Arun. I think we should make this change. That=92s = the language I=92m using in the 1.1 profile. After discussion, = I=92ll file an issue about this = too.<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0in; = margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: = 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: = 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-top: = 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; = font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span = style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; = "> = &n= bsp; &nbs= p; = &n= bsp; -- Mike<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; = margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', = serif; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, = sans-serif; "> <o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 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