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Subject: CourtsSC 2014-12-16 Meeting Notes
Hey Folks, Here are the notes from our meeting this last Tuesday, together with the chatlog. The agenda for the meeting is in the chatlog below. Folks seemed happy with the use-case document draft as a prototype, and Ken Hirsh pointed out a glaring typo in one of my cites. I am grateful for his editor's eye. There was much discussion on question II.1, with some arguing for the first option (the cite refers to the expression of the case as issued by the court), and some arguing for the second option (the cite refers to a instantiation of the case, a manifestation of the case in a particular reporter). John Joergensen explained why he thought the first option was correct, and we came to that consensus. On questions II.2-4, which are about the same thing, we agreed that what we are doing is creating a standard around which resolvers may be written. The spec needs to provide for the minimum uniqueish identifiers necessary to specify the cited document, working with what is actually available "in the field", which is usually a print citation. John Joergensen said he thinks all court decision citations are going to boil down into one of three types: 1. some kind of docket number/string reference 2. universal citation 3. print reporter citation The resolver will take the info sent to it using the spec and return a unique reference to the cited document that will link that expression with all available manifestations of it. We talked about Frank Bennett's proposed fields, and the consensus was that another needed to be added: name. So my conception of the standard (with input from John J.) looks like this for court documents right now: type of document (decision, order, pleading, etc.) courtid (some string that identifies the court) volume (for print citations) reporter (also for print citations) page (also for print citations) docket indentifier (string, usually unique) name (string) decision date publication date (year) parenthetical information (This must be exploded) Country Jurisdiction Venue Posture (may or may not collapse into document type, listed above) Further court identifiers (sometimes needed.) accession number (for Universal Citations!!!) Paragraph Number (for Universal Citations!!!!!!) Pinpoint cite Page number (for Olde Schoole Citationes) Am I correct on this? On III (What's Next?), we agreed I will do a lot of work over break instead of grading papers. No, along with grading papers. I will add US Federal non-decision documents to the use-case document. I will ask Frank Bennett to add some stuff on Japanese citations (Hi, Frank!) I will adapt an essay from John Joergensen on the non-unique nature of most citations and the need to allow for ambiguity, as an introduction to the use-case document. I will then post it on the wiki for the rest of the TC to critique. The next meeting will be in the new year, on Tuesday, 13 January 2015, at 4:00 pm EST (21:00 UTC). Happy Solstice everyone! Here is the Chatlog: ===============start of chat================= [15:47] John Heywood: Hello everyone. Here is our agenda: [15:48] John Heywood: Agenda I. Do folks feel that the document I sent out on 10 Dec. 2014 is on the right track as our use-case document? II. Questions that have been raised on the listserv this week (paraphrased): 1. Should the citation-to-be-specified identify the text of a judgment as issued by a court, or the text available in a specific reporting service? 2. Should the machine-readable markup syntax we will create enable people to indicate exactly what the citation looked like in some text they may be trying to faithfully represent, or should it only provide a way to refer to some sort of standardized citation? 3. Does our spec need to include elements of all existing printed citations? Or does need to specify only the elements of all printed citations needed to uniquely identify the resource? Or does it only need to specify the minimum number of elements necessary to uniquely identify the resource? 4. If we go the minimal data route, is this enough info: type (decsion) courtid docket number (string) decsion (date) Does this need a name string of some kind? III. What's next? [16:02] Ken H.: Kris, are you calling in? [16:21] John Heywood: Here is something Frank wrote earlier this week: In the technical group, Fabio presented on a three-stage resolution process. For cases, it would look something like this: (1) Some readily accessible features are fed to the resolver: { name: "Ingle v. Landis Tool Co.", volume: "272", reporter: "F.", page: "464" } (2) The resolver attempts to match the features to some unique key that identifies the work, say: us-272-fed-464 (3) The unique key is used to return a set of references to the case. If there is only one available reference, or if resolution is limited by constraints imposed by the original call, the resolver might return something like this: { name: "Ingle v. Landis Tool Co.", volume: "272", reporter: "Federal Reporter", page: "464", decisionDate: "1921-03-08", publicationDate: "1921", courtID: "us;federal;court.appeals.3.circuit", publisher: "West", } ===============end of chat================= Have a Happy Solstice everyone! -- John Quentin Heywood heywood@american.edu
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