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Subject: Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] JXDDS Person Object


Title: RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] JXDDS Person Object
It is the semantics. It sounds like the clear consensus is for "party" to have the more limited meaning of "party to a case" rather than a broader meaning. I definitely agree that "party" should have the more limited meaning it customarily receives in court proceedings.
 
As for a term to describe the broader meaning, I have no preference between "actor" or "participant". I confess to being unclear about the benefit or need for a single high level element like "actor" or "participant."
 
Rolly
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: [legalxml-courtfiling] JXDDS Person Object

John: I agree with Steven Taylor's suggestion that we consider using the term "participant."  Party has a specific connotation.  There may be court and case related participants pertinent to a court's operation and entered into the court's information management system, but not "parties" to the case (e.g., treatment providers, interpreters).

I know it's a matter of semantics, but it's semantics that gave so many people heartburn over the "actor" label.

Moira O'Leary Rowley
General Manager, Justice Solutions
ACS Government Systems
859.277.1500 (Lexington)
816.361.0303 (Kansas City)
moira.rowley@acs-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: John M. Greacen [mailto:john@greacen.net]
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2002 4:59 PM
To: Court Filing List
Cc: Mark Kindl; John Wandelt
Subject: [legalxml-courtfiling] JXDDS Person Object


Dear colleagues:

I have been in further discussions with Mark Kindl and John Wandelt at
GTRI about the person object and possible ways to accommodate Court
Filing's need for an element that accommodates persons, organizations
and things.

They have suggested that an actor object could be created which allowed
the use of either the person, organization, or property object.  They
have also
suggested that this object might be more easily understood and accepted
if it were called "party" rather than "actor."

I attach a PowerPoint diagram of the possible "actor" element that we
have been discussing.  I would appreciate getting your comments on it.

Can anyone think of another instance -- other than party -- in which we
need to be able to accept persons and organizations or persons,
organizations and things?  It seems to me that witnesses are invariably
individuals, even when they are testifying as agents or officers of an
organization.  "Party" would seem to work for contracts as well as for
court cases.  In sum, what do you think of the idea of "party" as the
name of the object instead of "actor?"

I look forward to your ideas and suggestions.

--
John M. Greacen
Greacen Associates, LLC.
18 Fairly Road
Santa Fe, NM  87507
505-471-0203



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