Re: [legalxml-courtfiling] Resolution of Q& R issue - closes October23d

[Dallas Powell <dpowell@tybera.com>]

Currently the Court Filing 1.1 DTD as it stands has a few "place holders" in
it.  The change of any element definition in Court Filing 1.1 breaks what
might be called "a freeze", yet we know that the place holders mean that
something is not done.

The Court Filing 1.1 DTD by itself does not hinder us from using the
Response element at present because the Response element is of type ANY.
That means our enhanced response system functions properly based on the
Court Filing 1.1 DTD.  Adding to or removing from Court Filing 1.1 will
break what we have implemented.

The reason that I bring this up is because the same issue exists with
Digital Signatures.  The Court Filing 1.1 DTD has a "place holder" there as
well.   We evaluated the W3C DSig standard and utilized it as best we could
in the Court Filing framework, but Court Filing 1.1 is not complete in this
area either.

Another area that I fear that still needs consideration are the issues
surrounding payment information and how to protect the information properly.
I fear that any area that has not been exercised by implementation will
remain a "place holder".

If we want to strengthen our messages to the Courts then frozen means that
it will not change, but we may have to chance what we are telling the
courts.  If we do not, then confusing messages will begin to go forward as
to what  Court Filing 1.1 really is.  You then have to ask, what version of
Court Filing 1.1?

I recommend that if you change Court Filing 1.1 to include the enhancements
of Q&R you call it Court Filing 1.2, and when we add the enhancements for
Digital Signatures we call it Court Filing 1.3 and so forth for
modifications to payments.

What this tells the courts is that we are not going to confuse them, and
that if they don't care about certain features then they can feel
comfortable using Court Filing 1.1.

Dallas



----- Original Message -----
From: "John Greacen" <john@greacen.net>
To: "Electronic Court Filing TC" <legalxml-courtfiling@lists.oasis-open.org>
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 9:59 AM
Subject: [legalxml-courtfiling] Resolution of Q& R issue - closes October
23d


> We have set ourselves a tight timeframe for concluding work on the Query
> & Response specification.  Shane and Dallas have had an interesting
> exchange on the list.  Rolly has provided his comments.  I would like to
> test the sense of the TC as a whole on the issues that Shane and Dallas
> have discussed.
>
> In Boston, the face to face agreed to reuse complex elements from the
> Court Filing 1.1 specification where they are applicable for the
> structure of a Response.  This would aid developers who had already
> written code for Court Filing.
>
> Shane proposes to accomplish this by "importing" from the Court Filing
> 1.1 DTD into the Q&R DTD.  Rolly and Dallas would prefer to import the
> Q&R DTD into the Court Filing 1.1 DTD. Dallas's purpose would be to
> acquire the capability in Court Filing 1.1, via the Q&R DTD, to provide
> more, and more elaborate, "confirmations" from the court to an efiler,
> including "documentTitle, authorization codes for master card, amounts
> charged, Judge assigned to the case, error messages and so forth."
>
> Would it be consistent with our decision to "freeze" Court Filing 1.1 to
>   revise that specification to import the Q&R DTD into Court Filing 1.1?
>
> Can the Q&R specification be used as it has been designed so far to send
> a "Response" to a "filing" rather than to a "Query"?
>
> I will definitely add Dallas's statement of need to the list of Court
> Filing 2.0 requirements.  Is there anything else that we can do today,
> given our deadline of Nov. 4th to finish Q&R, to meet his needs?
>
> Does anyone else have anything to add to Shane's proposal to "import"
> from Court Filing into Q&R?
>
> Please respond by COB on Wednesday, October 23rd.
>
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