I was under the same impression as Scott.
Typically, the minimum case initiation and document indexing elements are
restricted to somewhere around 10 to 15 data elements. The rest go into the
appropriate IEP. At least that is the strategy assumed by Global and the GJXDM
folks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Came
[mailto:scott@justiceintegration.com]
Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 4:43 PM
To: Electronic Court Filing
Technical Committeee
Subject: Re:
[legalxml-courtfiling] Case Initiation Elements
Thanks John.
This is certainly a substantial list of data elements. I've also noticed
that there is some overlap with the criminal complaint reference IEP work
previously undertaken by the law enforcement reference IEP projects earlier
this year (based on work done earlier in LA County), and also the NCSC traffic
citation reference IEP.
I had thought our approach was to include such instances of other reference
IEPs as one of the documents in the Blue message structure, with only
"basic" case information in the main body of the Blue message.
For instance, it would certainly be straightforward for law enforcement to file
a traffic citation case by including in the main Blue message body the basic
information (parties names, court info, case title, case type, etc.) Then
the document (what we used to call the lead document) would contain the full
citation information. If this were XML, we would hope it would be
something close to (or derived from) the citation reference IEP, but ultimately
it would be whatever is standard in that jurisdiction. But it would not
have to be XML. Regardless, the "basic" case information
included in the Blue message body would be standard for all compliant
implementations...this is what we must define in the specification.
Has this approach changed?
In any case, knowing how long it took to produce the current drafts of the
criminal complaint and citation reference IEPs, doing something similar would
take much more time than we have allotted for this week's exercise. If
this list of elements is to be included, we'll need to plan on a second session
at a later time.
> I attach a Word table setting forth the case initiation data elements that
I
> have discovered to date. They include input from the Administrative Office
> of US Courts, Orange County, FLA, Minneapolis, Missouri, Utah, and King
> County, WA. The list includes case initiation data for criminal, civil,
> bankruptcy, family, juvenile delinquency, juvenile dependency, mental
> health, traffic and probate cases.
>
> I am indebted to all who sent data elements to me.
>
> The exercise of putting this together convinces me that we need to include
> some mechanism for easily extending our schema(s) to allow for the
exchange
> of additional data elements. After I had incorporated several criminal
data
> element sets, I assumed that I had the matrix well populated. However, I
> found that each additional set of elements from a new jurisdiction
> contributed several new elements not used in the multiple element sets
that
> I had already incorporated.
>
> In short, I consider this a very substantial list of case initiation
> elements that will impress our stakeholders of the breadth of our inquiry.
> But I know it is not exhaustive, and, as Dallas Powell continually points
> out, it cannot be made exhaustive no matter how much work we commit to the
> task because of the unique data elements used and therefore required in
> different states and different courts within some states.
>
> I hope this is helpful to the reference document effort at the end of this
> week. I leave it to Scott Came to determine if and how it can be used in
> that exercise.
>
> John M. Greacen
> Greacen Associates, LLC
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> john@greacen.net
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