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Subject: RE: [legalxml-econtracts] Signature Areas


How would this proposal handle XMLDSIG for security of digital signatures?

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "John McClure" <jmcclure@hypergrove.com>
Date:  Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:29:39 -0800

>Jason,
>The text for "G" is in the <p> element, but the table for the signature stuff
>would not be. The table *should* be outside of the <section> and <layout>
>structure of the document.
>
>I am troubled about a Signature block element -- it seems too presentational in
>nature for my taste. I am more attracted to one or more inline elements, My
>objective is to create XHTML markup that can be re-formatted into XSL-FO (for
>conversion to PDF), so I think the key is to identify the text strings that are
>to be used by that XSLT to create the FOs representing the "signature block" --
>I think this is an important objective to have because it keeps us "honest" as
>we create a "logical" markup language using a presentation-oriented markup
>language as its foundation.
>
>Some inline signature related elements coming to mind follow, which I'm sure can
>be improved, but here goes:
>
>	a. <signature-party> - holds the name of a party signing the document
>	b. <signature-date> -- holds the date of the signature
>	c. <signature-intro> -- holds text that introduces the signature area
>	d. <signature> -- holds the image of the actual signature
>
>Now, I assume and accept that there will be content in the XHTML file that is
>irrelevant to the XSLT creating the FO/PDF for the contract. A table in the <p>
>within the <section> would always by formatted as part of the contract. A table
>outside of the <section> element would not be identity-copied, although it would
>be accessed for its inline signature elements.
>
>My view necessitates that preamble text (and postscript text) for the contract's
>sections is to be so identified -- I proposed a generic <layout> element, but
>it'd certainly be alright to use element names for each layout area, eg footnote
>text, header text, footer text, and others as needed. This yields something
>like:
>
>	<instrument>
>		<running-header/>
>		<preamble/>
>		<section/>
>		<postscript/>
>		<running-footer/>
>	</instrument>
>
>Thanks,
>John
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jason Harrop [mailto:jharrop@speedlegal.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 8:45 PM
>>To: 'Legalxml-Econtracts'
>>Subject: Re: [legalxml-econtracts] Signature Areas
>>
>>
>>So John, for your XHTML model, that's a SignatureBlock element in <p>,
>>or just a table element in <p>?
>>
>>Peter, i'd be interested in your views.
>>
>>thanks
>>
>>Jason
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>John McClure wrote:
>>> Hey Jason,
>>> I thought youmight get a grin out of that... The answer has to be yes, the
>>> author would need to create a <section> for that content. I owuld agree that
>>> it's likely not a usual practice, but in order to be labelled "G",
>>then yes it
>>> must be a <section> as part of the doc outline. Note that doing so, the user
>>> expects that the Signatures block would be listed in any generated table of
>>> contents (navigation list) for the document, something that wouldn't
>>be done if
>>> the content was not located in a <section>.
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Jason Harrop [mailto:jharrop@speedlegal.com]
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 5:52 PM
>>>>To: 'Legalxml-Econtracts'
>>>>Subject: Re: [legalxml-econtracts] Signature Areas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi John
>>>>
>>>>Nice to see an example document :)
>>>>
>>>>Presumably you/Peter would encapsulate the signature blocks within item
>>>>G, since it appears to be the authors intent that conceptually, they
>>>>form part of the grammatical para in item G?
>>>>
>>>>thanks
>>>>
>>>>Jason
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John McClure wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Here is a simple 3 page lease that captions the signature area of a contract
>>>>>consistent with the numbering of its preceding clauses. This is not a common
>>>>>practice, but I wanted to share that it does occur. My proposal to
>>>>
>>>>identify just
>>>>
>>>>>the specific signature text using an inline element, would not lead to the
>>>>>concerns that arise from trying to markup a signature area when it
>>>>
>>>>occurs within
>>>>
>>>>>a clause.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.aa.psu.edu/stulife/housing/sample_lease.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
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