Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting

[John L Jones <jjones@arionzoe.com>]

I would re-prioritize the list as:

1. ALTA
   
2. MISMO
   
3. MBA
   
4. PRIA/NNA Conferences
   

As John M says recordable documents almost universally require notarizations, plus they are moving toward electronic formats. Because the primary drivers will be those who create the documents and notarize the documents I think the title and mortgage industries are the most important. MISMO is important because ENML needs to be incorporated, either directly or by reference, into the industry specifications. But industry operations people and technology vendors must see the need as part of the adoption process for anything to move forward.

PRIA and the NNA reach subgroups with more tangential needs. While PRIA, like MISMO, is a standards setting body its primary constituency - county recorders - are consumers of notarized documents. Because MISMO and PRIA are closely allied with regard to standards adoption by the larger becomes adoption by the smaller. Whether or not county recorders avail themselves of the data delivered via ENML is immaterial. It is already in the recordable document when they get it because someone else created it.

The NNA conference is helpful in building awareness among the notary signing agents as a potential adoption group not reached through the title and mortgage banking industries (notaries in those industries are notaries as a condition of employment and therefore adopt what their employers adopt). As a side benefit the NNA conference will reach commissioners of notaries public (Notary Public Administrators). This is really more of a courtesy than a necessity.

I disagree that NPAs need to legislate or regulate this standard. Nor is that a good thing. Their involvement to officially sanction ENML will delay adoption and likely cause significant changes as the specification goes through the government sausage grinder in 50 different states. They are as free to adopt ENML, or not, as any other public or private stakeholder. ENML has advantages to them but I doubt many will implement it soon. They're still struggling with basic technology in their own offices, not to mention paralyzed or worse when to comes to deciding what to do about electronic signatures for notaries. Giving them something else to get agita over is one more barrier to electronic commerce.

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John


John Messing wrote:

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I think these are all good ideas but I think Mark Ladd has a point. I
would prioritize efforts and money part from the ABA as follows:

1. NASS
2. PRIA
3. NNA Conference
4. MISMO

The reason is this: real estate recording documents in the US almost
universally have to be notarized, making the real estate recording
industry a prime consumer of the standard. But the notary administrators
need to approve the methods via regulations or legislation. So they need
to be sold as well. MISMO concerns the banking interests that lend
against the recorded mortgages so their buy-in is important as well.

The NNA Conference brings a lot of these different people together as
well as the notaries themselves and foreign diplomats and technicians to
discuss enotarization. So long as the NNA realizes that the ENML
standard does not undercut but coexists with their proprietary certs,
and can help expand the usefulness of them, I think a win-win situation
can be created with the NNA.

Hope this helps.


  

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
From: Arshad Noor <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>
Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 11:24 am
To: John Messing <jmessing@law-on-line.com>
Cc: Mark Ladd <mladd@pria.us>,  'legalxml-enotary'
<legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia'
<laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>,  'Carol Geyer'
<carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee Schur' <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, 
"'Marc L. Aronson'" <maronson@notary.org>


No argument on the ISC/DE meetings, John; the ROI on presenting
ENML to these groups - if they give us the time-slots - is huge
with minimal investment (I live in the Bay Area anyway, so there
is no cost to my presenting here).

Arshad

John Messing wrote:
    

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