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Subject: RE: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting
Dee: I think we listed the NNA conference as one the venues, so you are correct in the url you sent. Arshad personally knows the ABA group, of which I am also a member, and I think between he and I we probably don't need you to coordinate efforts, though not because they are not otherwise appreciated. Best regards. > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: RE: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting > From: "Dee Schur" <dee.schur@oasis-open.org> > Date: Fri, January 23, 2009 8:36 am > To: "'John L Jones'" <jjones@arionzoe.com>, "'John Messing'" > <jmessing@law-on-line.com>, <legalxml-sc@lists.oasis-open.org> > Cc: "'Arshad Noor'" <arshad.noor@strongauth.com>, "'legalxml-enotary'" > <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, "'laurent liscia'" > <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, "'Carol Geyer'" > <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, "'Marc L. Aronson'" <maronson@notary.org> > > > Hello all, > > > > I. Is this another potential event activity, > http://www.nationalnotary.org/conf2009/index.html? Throughout this email I > see the following many opportunities. > > > > II. NASS-NPA, http://nass.org/index.php?option=com_content > <http://nass.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=299> > &task=view&id=93&Itemid=299. Marc put in the ask and their answer is below > in his email, basically wait to see if you are invited to speak. Would the > MS want to do a booth anyway for $500? > > > > > > III. Mark also approached NPA; can you send me the link for > this organization? > > > > IV. John suggested Arshad to attend an ISC/DE meeting in > California? Should I contact this group? If so, please send contact > information. > > > > > > V. ALTA, http://www.alta.org/. > > > > VI. MISMO - MISMO event, > http://events.mortgagebankers.org/TECH2009/default.html. > > VII. MBA - http://www.mortgagebankers.org/AboutMBA. > > VIII. PRIA Conferences - http://www.pria.us/. > > > > Please send feedback on these options. If we are looking for speaking slots > we need to shoot for the events that are later in the year. > > Thanks, > > Dee > > > > > > Marc L. Aronson wrote: > > > Arshad: > > > > > > Here is part of an email I wrote NASS about you being a speaker at > > > NASS-NPA this summer. Below you will find their answer. > > > > > > I have also written the NPA directly, but have not received a response > > > as of this time and date. > > > > > > Marc A. > > > > > > *My question:* > > > > > > I belong to a committee that wants to have a speaker at the NPA part > > > of the Summer NASS meeting. I assume that anyone can come in and speak > > > to the NPA section without any problem or fee as long as the NPA approves. > > > This person/committee might want to set up a vendor booth (the > > > organization is OASIS, a world wide technology organization). While > > > you may not have determined your vendor fees for this summer yet, may > > > I please have an example of what they are for this winter's > > > conference; that will be close enough for planning purposes. > > > > > > *Their answer:* > > > > > > If NPA invites you to speak this summer, that is the only approval you > > > need. If you intend to stay for any of the conference beyond your day > > > of the presentation, you would need to register. Registration fees > > > for the summer conference will probably be around $900 for a corporate > > > non-member (a business entity that is not a corporate affiliate of > > > NASS). Exhibit booths at the summer conference usually run about $500. > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > From: John L Jones [mailto:jjones@arionzoe.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:52 PM > To: John Messing > Cc: Arshad Noor; Mark Ladd; 'legalxml-enotary'; 'laurent liscia'; 'Carol > Geyer'; 'Dee Schur'; 'Marc L. Aronson' > Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting > > > > I would re-prioritize the list as: > > 1. ALTA > 2. MISMO > 3. MBA > 4. PRIA/NNA Conferences > > As John M says recordable documents almost universally require > notarizations, plus they are moving toward electronic formats. Because the > primary drivers will be those who create the documents and notarize the > documents I think the title and mortgage industries are the most important. > MISMO is important because ENML needs to be incorporated, either directly or > by reference, into the industry specifications. But industry operations > people and technology vendors must see the need as part of the adoption > process for anything to move forward. > > PRIA and the NNA reach subgroups with more tangential needs. While PRIA, > like MISMO, is a standards setting body its primary constituency - county > recorders - are consumers of notarized documents. Because MISMO and PRIA are > closely allied with regard to standards adoption by the larger becomes > adoption by the smaller. Whether or not county recorders avail themselves of > the data delivered via ENML is immaterial. It is already in the recordable > document when they get it because someone else created it. > > The NNA conference is helpful in building awareness among the notary signing > agents as a potential adoption group not reached through the title and > mortgage banking industries (notaries in those industries are notaries as a > condition of employment and therefore adopt what their employers adopt). As > a side benefit the NNA conference will reach commissioners of notaries > public (Notary Public Administrators). This is really more of a courtesy > than a necessity. > > I disagree that NPAs need to legislate or regulate this standard. Nor is > that a good thing. Their involvement to officially sanction ENML will delay > adoption and likely cause significant changes as the specification goes > through the government sausage grinder in 50 different states. They are as > free to adopt ENML, or not, as any other public or private stakeholder. ENML > has advantages to them but I doubt many will implement it soon. They're > still struggling with basic technology in their own offices, not to mention > paralyzed or worse when to comes to deciding what to do about electronic > signatures for notaries. Giving them something else to get agita over is one > more barrier to electronic commerce. > > ------ > John > > > John Messing wrote: > > I think these are all good ideas but I think Mark Ladd has a point. I > would prioritize efforts and money part from the ABA as follows: > > 1. NASS > 2. PRIA > 3. NNA Conference > 4. MISMO > > The reason is this: real estate recording documents in the US almost > universally have to be notarized, making the real estate recording > industry a prime consumer of the standard. But the notary administrators > need to approve the methods via regulations or legislation. So they need > to be sold as well. MISMO concerns the banking interests that lend > against the recorded mortgages so their buy-in is important as well. > > The NNA Conference brings a lot of these different people together as > well as the notaries themselves and foreign diplomats and technicians to > discuss enotarization. So long as the NNA realizes that the ENML > standard does not undercut but coexists with their proprietary certs, > and can help expand the usefulness of them, I think a win-win situation > can be created with the NNA. > > Hope this helps. > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: [legalxml-enotary] OASIS talk at Summer NASS Meeting > From: Arshad Noor <mailto:arshad.noor@strongauth.com> > <arshad.noor@strongauth.com> > Date: Thu, January 22, 2009 11:24 am > To: John Messing <mailto:jmessing@law-on-line.com> > <jmessing@law-on-line.com> > Cc: Mark Ladd <mailto:mladd@pria.us> <mladd@pria.us>, 'legalxml-enotary' > <mailto:legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org> > <legalxml-enotary@lists.oasis-open.org>, 'laurent liscia' > <mailto:laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org> <laurent.liscia@oasis-open.org>, > 'Carol Geyer' > <mailto:carol.geyer@oasis-open.org> <carol.geyer@oasis-open.org>, 'Dee > Schur' <mailto:dee.schur@oasis-open.org> <dee.schur@oasis-open.org>, > "'Marc L. Aronson'" <mailto:maronson@notary.org> <maronson@notary.org> > > > No argument on the ISC/DE meetings, John; the ROI on presenting > ENML to these groups - if they give us the time-slots - is huge > with minimal investment (I live in the Bay Area anyway, so there > is no cost to my presenting here). > > Arshad > > John Messing wrote: > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this mail list, you must leave the OASIS TC that > generates this mail. Follow this link to all your TCs in OASIS at: > https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/portal/my_workgroups.php
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